Talk:A New Hope (Vanna album)

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Please stop editing Vanna to a post-hardcore band, they are a metalcore band. As seen in the first album it says metalcore, as you have not heard this album you cannot justify that this is post-hardcore album, therefore leave it as metalcore, or make it post-hardcore and metalcore or possibly southern rock. Please also incorporate this as proof into the article if need be "It’s not that I dislike melody in metalcore, I like it when it’s done well." . Calling one album metalcore then calling the next post-hardcore when the sound is the exact same is unreasonable, therefore it should be metalcore until you have proof that the album is post-hardcore which we will see on the date of release of the album. 5 February 2009. Objective33.
 * Proof as in the two sources you removed? Fezmar9 (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Proof as in listening to the album, clearly you don't listen to Vanna or you would know by now they are metalcore, you don't need sources when it comes down to the actual music when it contains all of the elements that metalcore has. Once again, your incorrect information has been edited. Most fans of metalcore dislike post-hardcore, trust me and everyone else, if Vanna were post-hardcore, I would not be listening to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective33 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is about the usage of reliable sources and backing up claims. Stating what some fans may believe is considered original research and will be removed. The album A New Hope has not yet been released, so I find it odd that you are so strongly convinced that it is a metalcore album and that "in listening to the album" it becomes so obvious. Sources are calling it post-hardcore album. If you can find one claiming this album to be metalcore, then please add it. Fezmar9 (talk) 09:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey edited again, don't mess with true Vanna fans. https://revhq.com/store.revhq?Page=search&Id=EPI977 "Vanna continue to build on their formula of brutal metalcore and catchy melodies coupled with dual vocals from their first two releases, but add a level of maturity gained through touring and growing as a band..."

Actually you are incorrect, there is one of the songs off the album on Vanna's myspace from the new album, and it sounds metalcore to everyone else. Researcher, editer, whatever you may call yourself, please don't edit material that you percieve as correct information, only a true listener and fan as myself would know that.
 * Wikipedia is not concerned with truth, only validity. Vanna may be a metalcore band, but sources are calling A New Hope a post-hardcore album. Please read up on the links I have provided you with before continuing to edit wikipedia further. It is incredibly easy for me to continue to revert your edits, please do not waste my time. If you can find a reliable source claiming that A New Hope is a metalcore album you are welcome to add it in addition to post-hardcore. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Same here, moron. I will continue to revert your edits, don't waste my time. Also learn to read, I already made it valid; https://revhq.com/store.revhq?Page=search&Id=EPI977 "Vanna continue to build on their formula of brutal metalcore and catchy melodies coupled with dual vocals from their first two releases, but add a level of maturity gained through touring and growing as a band...".
 * A webstore is not considered a reliable source. Again, please read the pages I have linked for you on this talk page. If you can find a reliable source stating that A New Hope is a metalcore album, you are welcome to add it to this page alongside post-hardcore. Fezmar9 (talk) 05:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * ...how is this relevant information...? Fezmar9 (talk) 06:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Proof: http://wiki.fuse.tv/page/Vanna?t=anon - Objective33, 27 Feb 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective33 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only are other wiki sites considered non reliable sources, but that one states that Vanna is a post-hardcore band. It also makes no mention of A New Hope. Fezmar9 (talk) 06:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I've listened to the new album. It strays away from the Metalcore genre (not saying that they're still not metalcore), but I would definately say the CD is more Metalcore/Post-Hardcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.106.72 (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Then Please edit they are metalcore and posthardcore thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective33 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Whatever any site says Vanna is a long way away from the genre of post-hardcore and they rest so comfortably within the genre of Metalcore anybody who actually listens to both genres would know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.240.88 (talk) 20:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC) - BLIKER BLAH

http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/564/A_New_Hope - Bliker Blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.240.88 (talk) 19:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Alt Press Review
I've been to Alt Press and haven't seen the review for this CD there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.106.72 (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you open issue #248 and turn to page 109 as indicated next to the rating? Fezmar9 (talk) 22:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Leaked
I have visited several websites that have this album free for download so I believe that this article should talk about the leaked album - Bliker Blah
 * Any details about leaked albums are not considered notable unless there is some sort of reaction. See WP:LEAK for more info. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I did and this what it says about leaked albums "The date an album was leaked onto the Internet is not notable unless it results in some other action that is notable, such as being directly responded to by the musical artist or their management, or the leak itself receiving broad media coverage. Do not add leak dates to articles unless a notable consequence of the leak can be properly sourced to the same regular, reliable media sources that would be expected for any other content in the album's article. A website which announces album leaks but contains no other content, such as diditleak.co.uk, is not an appropriate source under the requirements of WP:RS."....

From what I see only the date an album was leaked is not "notable". The actual fact that an album was leaked remains legal under the guidelines of wikipedia. - Bliker Blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.240.88 (talk) 22:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if the leak date is not added, all you are left with is just "it leaked" which is probably less notable than the leak date itself. Because it is pretty much assumed that all albums leak onto the internet before their official release these dates, wikipedia does not see much of a reason to post this information. Unless either the band or label has some reaction. For example It's Blitz! leaked, and so the band decided to officially release the album earlier; Minutes to Midnight leaked and the band wanted the people who downloaded it to be sure they were listening to the album in the right order. A New Hope leaked and... well that's it. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I find the fact of it being leaked notable - Bliker Blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.240.88 (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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