Talk:A Thousand Suns

A slight rewrite
Upon release, the album was met with generally favorable reviews [5] and has been a commercial success debuting at number 1 on over ten charts. Although commercially successful, the album received mixed reviews upon release. Andy Lowson (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Burning In The Skies
New single, confirmed by Joe Hahn's twitter that they shot a video January 18, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.13.149 (talk) 04:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you cite a reliable source? ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  05:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

charts: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park/Diskografie--Gbuvn (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Which claims a release date of March 25 but provides no source. It does say it charted in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland; that'll require some more digging to verify. —C.Fred (talk) 19:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * …And two of the three chart appearances don't hold water; the linked sources do not show that the song charted in Germany or Austria. It appears to have spent one week at #47 on the Swiss chart per http://swisscharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Linkin+Park&titel=Burning+In+The+Skies&cat=s and http://austriancharts.at/showitem.asp?interpret=Linkin+Park&titel=Burning+In+The+Skies&cat=s. The question is whether either of those chart sources are acceptable. —C.Fred (talk) 19:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * …And accessing the chart position via the preferred source at WP:GOODCHARTS says it charted in Austria also. *boggle* —C.Fred (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Cover
Which cover is the right one (main cover), this one or this one? 83.131.83.7 (talk) 01:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The white one, in the article. Friginator (talk) 01:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Genre change
For an album like this, alternative rock is FAR too vague and gives an incredibly poor idea of sound. I'm thinking of alternative rock, electropop, experimental rock and alternative hip hop. But this is open for debate. But it cannot remain as it is.
 * Not sure who added this. Please remember to sign your post in the future. On the point of topic, this has been debated quite significantly before. The sheer number of proposed genre's was ridiculous and is clearly visible in this talk page's archive. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  17:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It's not necessary, and there has been clear consensus. (This was added by User:Titan50, by the way). Friginator (talk) 23:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Alternative rock is, on its own, a poor genre for this to be labeled. At the very least, it should be electronic rock. (I don't have an account, so I'll sign this as LP fan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.1.0 (talk) 00:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have heard some alternative metal and nu metal and rap metal sounds from this album than rap rock and alt rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Going by what editors hear would violate both verifiability, as it isn't published, and the restriction on original research. —C.Fred (talk) 04:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, far too open. I would put Electro rock, industrial rock, and probably progressive rock...seeing that is an album that is just a progression...similar to The Wall (Pink Floyd)...except as an industrial/synth version. Alos that it is similar to the sound of ReAnimation, but far less rapping oriented. Who agrees...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.248.168 (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Find reliable sources that support that. As long as these are just your personal opinions, they don't belong in the aritcle, as they are just original research. Sergecross73   msg me   03:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Iridescent
Per this source http://www.allaccess.com/alternative/future-releases Iridescent is being released as the fourth single off of the album on April 19 but there is currently no way to add it to the album page or discography. Calabe1992 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Linkin Park's youtube channel also states that Iridescent is a single that has been released in this album, if thats any further justification. Wolfantom (talk) 05:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot readily determine if that source is reliable or not. As I'm sure you know, the key to all entries on Wikipedia is verifiability. Do you have a corroborating source you can cite as well to go with it? ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  07:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Information collected since previous post indicates that the version of the song being released is unique for new movie soundtrack http://www.linkinpark.com/profiles/blogs/iridescent-transformers-3 ... the album page has now been edited but it is incorrect as the version of the song being released is not actually from the album. Calabe1992 (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have disabled the edit request as the page has been edited. Please see the article history for the editors who have added in the information. Woody (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Chart Performance
A Thousand Suns spent 37 weeks on the German Albums Chart making it the band's shortest running album, charting shorter than Hybrid Theory which spent 72 weeks on that chart. sourcesource.

Please include :) ! --79.199.34.137 (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternative Rock
I think more should be added to the genre list. There are 2 hip hop songs (Wretches and Kings, When They Come For Me), and Mike even called them hip hop, and if not, they're at least rap rock. The Catalyst is techno rock or synthpop. So shouldn't these be added to the list? "Alternative rock" is way too vague to describe an album that mixes many, many different genres of music.Panic Reaper (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are different genres, but why should that information be crammed into the infobox, which is only supposed to summarize the contents? Also, do you have any sources to back this up? There's been consensus on multiple occasions to leave it at Alternative Rock. Friginator (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An interview with MTV - http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1647836/linkin-parks-thousand-suns-leaves-past-behind.jhtml They call the 2 songs hip hop. Also, http://allmusic.com/album/a-thousand-suns-r1943041 AllMusic calls it Alternative Metal, Post-Grunge, Pop-Metal, and Rap-Metal. And I think Electro-rock could be added (as it's the most obvious). You can't summarize an album that is so diverse and filled with many genres... with something as simple as "Alternative rock". The Catalyst (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I very much agree that it NEEDS to have electronic rock added to, or replacing alternative rock as the genre description. (I don't have an account, so I'll sign this LPfan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.1.0 (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've tried to change it a lot, and I added a very reliable source like these guys asked but they're still being assholes about it. I'm gonna change it now, considering Allmusic IS a reliable source. The Catalyst (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (Response to Panic Reaper) Oh yeah man I understand. I've tried adding so much verifiable info but it never lasts. This website is what THEY want it to be, not you. Wikipedia says Green Day's Warning is pop rock, when all the sources under professional ratings say that it is pop punk, just like all of Green Day's other albums. But yet, Wiki gets to have itself call just one album pop rock. 71.104.253.11 (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Contradiction
Upon release, the album was met with generally favorable reviews [5] and has been a commercial success debuting at number 1 on over ten charts.

Although commercially successful, the album received mixed reviews upon release. The album as a whole has been likened to a progressive rock album, and compared to Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon and Radiohead's Kid A.[2]. This is written in the intro, so which one is wrong? 09:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the reception alone, then I would say "positive" should be replaced by "mixed". Friginator (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I really don't see anywhere near necessary talking about Dark Side of The Moon or Kid A in the introduction just because one reviewer from an unknown website said "it's no kid a, but it's trying to explore its genre as radiohead did" --Walkabout86 (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Ambient?
I wanted to ask if ambient could be added as a genre for A Thousand Suns? There are moments on the album mainly interludes where the music is very discordant such as on Wisdom, Justice and Love, The Requiem and Fallout where the Vocals are being morphed to sound more machine like and on the former where there is a droning sound with a piano added on top of it. I'm not going to add it in, I just wanted to know if it was enough evidence or consensus to add it. Netherwood (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

A THOUSAND SUNS SALES
A Thousand Suns sold more than 2,500,000 copies worldwide to date, AND NOT 1,700,000 as MjDangeorus says! This Link: http://fanofmusic.free.fr/ajax.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=106 is current as of December 2010, in fact this data match with the sales of MediaTraffic at the end of 2010... this is the Link: http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-2010.htm and, as you can see, A Thousand Suns sold 1,700,000 copies worldwide as of December (end) 2010, with 600,000 copies in the USA (http://fanofmusic.free.fr/ajax.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=106 ). BUT to date, A Thousand Suns sold 850,000 copies in the USA, watch this Link: http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news09031m01 and more than 2,500,000 copies worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.250.119.26 (talk) 22:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the source you cited for the 2.5M figure is not a reliable source. It appears to be a free website started by a fan.


 * However, the HITS Daily Double source does appear to be reliable, so the 845,000 sales figure in the US appears to be supported. —C.Fred (talk) 22:56, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I look at the worldwide sales and A Thousand Suns sold 2,500,000 copies worldwilde to date! In fact I asked directly to MediaTraffic (http://www.mediatraffic.de/) to confirm my data and he confirmed that A Thousand Suns has sold 2.5 million copies, this is the link:
 * http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=168310119969901&set=o.299303286810530&type=1&theater


 * then... a thousand suns sold 2,500,000 copies worldwide to date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.19.119.191 (talk) 11:10, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * AND... A Thousand Sun had already passed a half million in sales one months into its relase, in October 2010 and not December (after two month). This is the sales of A Thousand Suns in its first week:
 * - 1° Week: 523,000 copies (http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week39-2010.htm);
 * - 2° Week: 211,000 copies (http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week40-2010.htm);
 * - 3° Week: 151,000 copies (http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week41-2010.htm);
 * - 4° Week: 115,000 cpies (http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week42-2010.htm).
 * TOTAL = 523,000 + 211,000 + 151,000 + 115,000 = 1,000,000 copies worldwild as of 23 October 2010 (in one month into is relase).--Voilet92 (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

A Thousand Suns Live version - include or no?
A user placed a template in place on the grounds that the live version's album cover was too similar to the original and not necessary (he recommends taking it out of the picture altogether). I thought it would make it look rather shabby to the average reader (not wht GAs are about). It then brought up a question for me: Is this release really even important? I think I could just condense all this to prose somewhere. Anyone got thoughts?  danny music editor  ~talk to me!~ 15:44, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I would agree with condensing it somewhere else, with the track listing listed among the other track listings. The section as is has no sources or anything anyway, and is pretty short, especially compared to the rest of the article. Kokoro20 (talk) 23:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Genre list trimming
Hey all, I'm still not quite sure about the genre list in the infobox for this album's article. First off, 7 genres in an infobox would be overkill. Second, the "Style and composition" section clearly notes various traces of a couple of those genres, alternative rock and rap rock, but are not part of the album's main sound that is described with the other 5 genres. Do you all have any ideas how to stop this dispute, whether to agree with me and remove the two genres that there are only "traces" of, or just cut it all down to rock? Please let me know what is decided. Thanks....SirZPthundergod9001 (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Nu metal
Can we have a consensus on not including nu metal in the infobox? It's too controversial and misleading. There are cases when genres sourced in the body are not presented in the infobox because of their controversial nature... 188.170.175.58 (talk) 06:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)