Talk:Aam Aadmi Party/Archive 5

Suggestion: timeline of electoral performance?
Given the many assemblies and elections in which the AAP is now taking part, it would be a benefit to summarize them all into one table, such as these:

Kahlores (talk) 03:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Kahlores Thank you for your brilliant idea. I have used your suggestion to transclude the electoral performance section. Can you share which page you copied this from? Venkat TL (talk) 09:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @User:Venkat TL The two pages are shown above, they are two liberal parties from Spain and Germany, respectively. I haven't seen your attempt. My intent was to do something like this (using ISO 3166-2:IN two-letter codes, maybe some of them are uncommon):
 * {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:80%; text-align:center"
 * {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:80%; text-align:center"

! ! IN ! class="unsortable"| ! AP ! AR ! AS ! BR ! CT ! GA ! GJ ! HR ! HP ! JH ! KA ! KL ! MP ! MH ! MN ! ML ! MZ ! NL ! OR ! PB ! RJ ! SK ! TN ! TG ! TR ! UT ! UP ! WB
 * }
 * Kahlores (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kahlores I checked those pages linked above. I think the case of AAP is different from FDP or Citizens as AAP has only been active for the last 10 years (2 General Election cycles). While those Euro parties have been for more than 50 years. Another point of difference is that AAP is only successful so far in 5 states out of 30. Consequently I dont think this suggested form of table that has the column of all the states is a good representation for now. it will be mostly filled with zeros. The form in the article right now is better in my opinion. You can check my transclusion attempts on Goa Legislative Assembly, Bhagwant Mann, any suggestions to improve are welcome. Venkat TL (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On this AAP Page, I see one point of improvement. There are pages for State wing such as AAP Punjab AAP Goa that duplicate the tables on AAP to some extent. How can we transclude them at one place to avoid efforts to maintain them at 2 places. There is always a risk that while updating one table may be updated while the other page (where it was duplicated) is left out. That would create discrepancy. If the AAP page can transclude somehow those tables, that would be better. Is it doable? Venkat TL (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed FDP's table is very long, but Citizens has been active in just one province of Spain (Catalonia) from 2006 to 2014, until the party expanded. It seems close to AAP that first started in Delhi in 2012 and is now expanding. On the table, we wouldn't have to fill other states with zeroes: we could leave it blank or remove the column. Kahlores (talk) 18:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As for your transclusion issues, I am not gifted enough to help. There is a help page which I used last month (Help:Transclusion) and then if needed you can ask on Teahouse. Kahlores (talk) 18:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you the links are helpful. @Dhruv edits do you have a third opinion. I am not so sure if this table would appear useful to the reader. Venkat TL (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Venkat TL I think it is way too soon for such a table for AAP. The party is still very young and has taken part in only 2 Lok Sabha elections. Current table looks apt for now. Dhruv edits (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Venkat TL I think it is way too soon for such a table for AAP. The party is still very young and has taken part in only 2 Lok Sabha elections. Current table looks apt for now. Dhruv edits (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2022
Aam aadmi parti is a centeric right wing party 2409:4063:6D0F:8FEC:89F0:90F5:F9EE:B511 (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Venkat TL (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2022
AAP won Punjab with 92 seats 122.161.66.18 (talk) 05:16, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  General Ization Talk  05:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Venkat TL (talk) 06:41, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Nisha Singh update
AAP councillor Nisha Singh convicted and sentence to 7 years of imprisonment. Should we add it in the article? Amitized (talk) 09:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

"The" at the start of the article
An editor keeps deleting the word "The" from the start of the lead. It is normal English the use the definite article (the) in these circumstances: Please can "The" be restored. -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:44, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Bharatiya Janata Party, starts The Bharatiya Janata Party
 * Democratic Party (United States), starts The Democratic Party
 * Social Democratic Party of Germany, starts The Social Democratic Party of Germany


 * I am changing the start of the lead to use the same format as the start of the lead for Bharatiya Janata Party. i.e. it starts with a "The" (which is grammatical English) and has the abbr. BJP after the literal translation. -- Toddy1 (talk) 05:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Ideology of AAP in table should not contain Economic Nationalism but below 3 points
National convener of Aam Aadmi Party(kind of like boss of AAP) has made it clear many times what is the ideological pillars of Aam Aadmi Party 1. Staunch Nationalism 2. Staunch honesty 3. Humanity AAP has never promoted economic Nationalism, it is facilitating free market economics on many occasions just because the school, health are under government funding does not mean it is economic nationalism. Economic nationalism requires a major stake of government into businesses which is not the case for AAP governments. In fact it works on economic liberalisation where if one gives a solution with the right or left ideology then go with it and not follow a particular ideological cum economic model. Some articles are for reference purposes: 1. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/staunch-nationalism-at-core-of-aap-ideology-says-arvind-kejriwal-1931083-2022-03-29 2. https://aamaadmiparty.org/about/why-we-are-different/ 3. zeenews.india.com/india/hardcore-patriotism-diehard-honesty-humanity-of-aap-ideology-arvind-kejriwal-2449039.html/amp 4. https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-fundamental-ideologies-of-the-Aam-Aadmi-Party/answer/Atul-Kumar-Dwivedi-3?ch=15&oid=27535049&share=7e4b9bf4&srid=XHaET&target_type=answer (it's an opinion)

On this occasion, I also would like to flag practices that are happening on the Aam Aadmi Party Wikipedia page. People are making guesses, assumptions without any proof or credible source, I do not know the intent behind it but one might guess their prejudice regarding Aam Aadmi Party. RashmikantT (talk) 23:10, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Disagree, this would be a biased opinon by founder of the party, should not be added on wiki. NPOV fail. Amitized (talk) 09:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Aam aadami Party has never supported economic nationalism ends it should be removed from the ideology column of the Aam Aadmi Party. RashmikantT (talk) 12:43, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

To give you one example economic nationalism means when the state controls majority of the economic things like in China, however AAP doesn't have any history or intentions. One incident or one opinion of someone from some website cannot decide the ideology of some party. I strongly recommend to remove the economic nationalism from the table or provide a relevant source if any. Again providing social security does not mean economic nationalism. Providing social security is common practice in European Nations nobody calls them as followers of economic nationalism... RashmikantT (talk) 12:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2022
Something needs to be edited. Please allow. LakshayYadav007 (talk) 14:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Venkat TL (talk) 14:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Political position of AAP needs update to centrist only
There are many instances where AAP government is supporting facilitation of private businesses and also making for them to increase the position of Delhi or India in ease of doing business over all. We don't call Europe a left-centric because it's giving services to its citizens like minimum wedge, free health, free education like in Finland, etc. AAP also had removed a minister because he was asking for bribe even though he was a Muslim(so no minority appeasement as well, or economic control of state). During AAP Delhi has become a startup hub. Ideology should be Centric only. Attached some articles for reference: 1. https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/dipp-lists-aap-government-steps-in-ease-of-doing-business-achievements/articleshow/52330687.cms 2. https://aamaadmiparty.org/jobs-and-economy-economy/ 3. https://theprint.in/india/delhi-govt-plans-to-facilitate-food-hospitality-sectors-to-boost-night-time-economy/890771/ 4. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/capital-gains-how-delhi-turns-a-startup-hub/articleshow/89257491.cms 5. https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2022/feb/07/delhi-from-jugaad-to-startup-hub-2416355.html RashmikantT (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

The citation given for the Aam aadami Party being Central to Central left actually States otherwise: it states that Aam Aadmi Party is influenced by both Central left and Centre right ideology so omiting the right ideology is wrong. Aam aadami party is a centrist party RashmikantT (talk) 20:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

The flag of Aam Aadmi Party is missing
From the table the flag of the party is missing you should be put there RashmikantT (talk) 21:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If you mean the infobox, it has their logo at the top, and the broom that forms their symbol is present in their logo at the top of the infobox and at the bottom of the infobox. We do not need it there a third time. -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

alignment is not as same as wing; hence should be removed from the state wing section
Bihar The party supported Nitish Kumar's Janata Dal (United) in the 2015 Bihar Legislative Assembly election against the Bharatiya Janata Party.

This piece should be removed as Alliance is not same as state wing. State wing means they have branches there of their own, Alliance have ever means temporary friendship so it does not count as state wing RashmikantT (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Funding section needs improvement
"There have been allegations of funding of the party by CIA and Ford foundation as people close to these organisations have gotten tickets to elections"

This piece should be removed if there has been an allegation then put it in the controversy section maybe; not in the funding section. Also the source is hilarious: the source is actually the opposite party which is contesting this party in the elections.

PS. I tried to delete this piece however some individual always undo it RashmikantT (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

This piece should be removed from ideology section
"In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist)"

It does not reflect the ideology of some party but merily some speculations only. that to not related with ideology however I want to express my deep concern about the Niche attempt to colour some organisation with some ideology. RashmikantT (talk) 13:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @RashmikantT Please remove it. See WP:BOLD. Venkat TL (talk) 13:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I cannot actually I tried in past however some individual always undo the work... RashmikantT (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dhruv edits, any comments why adding it. I think RashmikantT's proposal is sensible. Venkat TL (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Venkat TL - I see there is already a section on talk page dealing with this and other edits by RashmikantT. See Talk:Aam Aadmi Party by @Toddy1 and edit summaries of edits made by both of them in May 2022.
 * @RashmikantT - Instead of opening multiple talk page sections, reply to Toddy1's comments under that thread. Dhruv edits (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dhruv edits thanks, I did not see that section. Perhaps the title should be less generic. I will reply on that thread. Venkat TL (talk) 15:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Speculated alliance with Communist Party of India (Marxist)
The sources cited for the above passage are as follows: So clearly the two cited sources support the old version of the text.
 * This says: Without revealing the party’s hand on whether the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) could be a potential ally, Communist Party of India (Marxist) general secretary Prakash Karat on Thursday said the virtues the new party claims for itself and its agenda of social justice, democratisation and decentralisation of power has long been the Communist programme.
 * This says: “The virtues that AAP claims for itself—a clean image, incorruptibility, denial of perks and privileges of power, and funding based on people’s contributions—are all part of the style and practice of the communists from the outset,” Karat said in an article in People’s Democracy, the party’s organ.
 * This says: “The virtues that AAP claims for itself—a clean image, incorruptibility, denial of perks and privileges of power, and funding based on people’s contributions—are all part of the style and practice of the communists from the outset,” Karat said in an article in People’s Democracy, the party’s organ.
 * This says: “The virtues that AAP claims for itself—a clean image, incorruptibility, denial of perks and privileges of power, and funding based on people’s contributions—are all part of the style and practice of the communists from the outset,” Karat said in an article in People’s Democracy, the party’s organ.

An editor wishes to make the change above.[|undefined His/her argument is It is to justify the government stand on economic policies the webpage currently is dying to make the government as a communist which is significantly incorrect i strongly reject this point of making the government communist even though it is not. -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * In your edits you added new text and citations, and I have retained these, and fixed problems with citation templates such as URL errors, titles not as they were in the source, etc. I have also consolidated identical citations, and taken a citation used in the infobox for centrist and put it in the body of the article next to centrist.
 * Concerning whether the communists are corrupt, you changed "claiming" to "alleging". I have changed it to "and said that". He did say it; you were probably right to object to "claiming" as that expresses doubt.  See MOS:CLAIM.
 * Your edits also deleted cited text, and you gave reasons in the edit summaries that I cannot see the relevance of. I have restored the cited text and improved the citation templates. Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say. If you still object to these passages, please could you use the article talk page to explain your objections, rather than repeatedly reverting as you did the other day. -- Toddy1 (talk) 06:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * In one of your edit summaries you wrote The section for elevation belong to controversy section not funding section kindly do not do disruptive work this for the sake of doing to make your name. I respectfully want to want about the consequences of your disruptive editing regarding the unbiased info. I again request you to rise about your ego and provide the unbiased information. Please read WP:CSECTION, which says that Wikipedia should avoid sections and articles focusing on criticisms or controversies. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The passages currently deleted by RashmikantT are:
 * There have been allegations of funding of the party by CIA and Ford foundation as people close to these organisations have gotten tickets to elections.
 * Prakash Karat, the CPI(M) leader, said that there were some ideological similarities between the two parties, such as their agendas relating to social justice and decentralisation of power. [He/she did not delete the citations]
 * The party supported Nitish Kumar's Janata Dal (United) in the 2015 Bihar Legislative Assembly election against the Bharatiya Janata Party.


 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

An editor is again censoring the article. The sentences he/she keeps removing are marked with strikethrough below:
 * In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist). Prakash Karat, the CPI(M) leader, said that there were some ideological similarities between the two parties, such as their agendas relating to social justice and decentralisation of power. The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M).

The explanations given for the removals today are as follows: The cited article in The Hindu says: However, he did not answer the question the media has been posing on a possible alliance between the two parties. In fact, AAP leader Prashant Bhushan was quoted in a newspaper report as stating that the party would not tie up with the CPI(M) as corruption had seeped into its rank and file. This explicitly justifies both the sentences that the editor keeps removing. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 08:01 (There is no mention of AAP joining CPM even not the "alleged part" anywhere in the source provided. If it is not present then the not joining by prashant Bhushan can't be justified or stated as well. Kindly provide the source if you have)
 * 08:19 (1. The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M). and 2. In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist).: these news are nowhere to be found in the source which is provided as a reference when stating these statements. I respect teddy's interest in the page however I want to express my concerns as his editing don't have any base.)
 * 12:39 (1. The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M). and 2. In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist).: these news are nowhere to be found in the source which is provided as a reference when stating these statements. I respect teddy's interest in the page however I want to express my concerns as his editing don't have any base.)
 * After reading the quotes shared by Toddy1, I feel that this line is probably undue. It is common that parties explore and try to form alliances during the election. All such efforts need not be mentioned in the wikipage, especially when such an alliance did not come to realization.  Toddy1 what is your opinion, keep or remove? Venkat TL (talk) 15:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It all depends on what you think Wikipedia articles should aspire to be:
 * Advertisements or directory entries, in which case they need up to the moment details. They do not need too much on the subject's history; past leaders, alliances, rejected alliances, successes and failures should only be retained if relevant to currently selling products and services.  Embarrassing stuff should be deleted, unless the article is meant to be an attack advertisement.
 * Serious articles about the subject, in which case editors should try to build up a history of the subject: for example, why some people think an alliance with the communists was appropriate, and why did AAP reject it.
 * I favour Wikipedia articles aspiring to be serious articles about the subject, but I know a lot of editors disagree with that, particularly those with disposable accounts. -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Toddy1 your comment went into some abstract mode. Here the facts as I see it. Please let me know if you disagree with any of these points.
 * CPI(M) made comments about similarity of AAP agenda with communist Agenda, No evidence, just claims.
 * AAP did not make any comments about such similarity.
 * Neither AAP nor CPIM made any comments about plans to form alliance.
 * AAP leader made explicit refutation when asked about Alliance.
 * Even though CPM made these comments, CPM wiki page does not mention this.
 * As I see this. This alliance talk was pure speculation making its way into the article based on unconfirmed reports. It should have been removed from the wikipedia AAP article at that time itself. If one wants to keep it, then it should be at the CPM page, because the CPM had floated this idea. I am supporting the removal of the content from this article, and neutral for addition to CPM page. If there is no objection from other editors, I will go ahead and remove this line from the AAP article. Venkat TL (talk) 10:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What you call abstract, I call principles. A principle is a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Your point (3) is contradicted by your point (4). Your point (5) is irrelevant. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Toddy1 both point 3 and 4 say there was no alliance. How does it contradict. Since you did not confirm, I am assuming you are not objecting to the removal of this line. Venkat TL (talk) 10:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I strongly object. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Toddy1 objection acknowledged, so please elaborate, how this speculation is justified to be kept into the article. Remember verifiability is not sufficient for inclusion into the article and WP:DUE. Venkat TL (talk) 10:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Do not remove content
The reliable content under the Funding section is being repeatedly removed by @Venkat TL. Since the critical information that I added citing reliable sources was removed, the Aam Aadmi Party page is looking like a PR pamphlet of the party. Another user @David notMD restored the information that I had added. But @Venkat TL came again to remove it with some reasoning which is not satisfactory. Since there is massive critical information on Aam Aadmi Party and its leaders in the media, I want to add more information provided @Venkat TL or some other user does not remove it to keep the Aam Aadmi Party page(s) with only positive information. Please restore the information under the Funding section that I had added. Wikipedia must not be used as a publicity vehicle by political outfits or other people and organizations. Rrthakur22 (talk) 06:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Anti corruption
Should "anti-corruption" in ideology be kept? The single focus of Anna Andolan was the Jan Lokpal Bill, which AAP, as of now, has yet to pass into law, despite it having a brute mjority in Delhi Legislative Assembly. The party has also not appointed a Lokayukta since Dec 2020. The single focus of the anti-corruption movements of 2011-12 were to pass the Jan Lokpal Bill, which AAP did not. If it did not pass the one single bill the anti-corruption movement was focused on, can we really call it anti-corruption? Now whether it passed the bill or not, it doesn't advocate against corruption more than other parties for it to be included in its wikipedia page and not other parties' Wikipedia page now as it did in 2013-15. It mainly talks about populism, freebies and infrastructure instead of corruption, as can be seen in its Gujarat and Himachal manifestos. I propose removing the anti-corruption part from ideology section. Open to other arguments. @Dhruv edits what is your take on this? Ok123l (talk) 05:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ok123l I disagree. The party was born out of anti-corruption movement, which is still its main identity. Their website still states anti corruption at the top of their agenda. Plus lot of WP:RS have them as a anti-corruption party. Ideologies takes years to shift/change. Also, opening an anti corruption helpline was one of the first thing they did after winning Punjab polls 1. There isn't a clear shift from anti corruption ideology so it should not be removed. Dhruv edits (talk) 07:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)