Talk:Abbeville

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Source for quoted material: An unnamed encyclopedia from a project that puts out-of-copyright texts into the public domain. This is from a *very* old source, and reflects the thinking of the turn of the last century. -- BryceHarrington

Source for general remarks: very varied; I have recently been doing extensive research on this town. -- Jim Chevallier, North Hollywood, CA.

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It lies in a pleasant and fertile valley, and is built partly on an island and partly on both sides of the river, which is canalized from this point to the estuary. The streets are narrow, and the houses are mostly picturesque old structures, built of wood, with many quaint gables and dark archways. The most remarkable building is the church of St Vulfran. Abbeville has several other old churches and an Hotel de Ville, with a belfry of the 13th century. Among the numerous old houses, that known as the Maison de Francois I, which is the most remarkable, dates from the 16th century. There is a statue of Admiral Courbet (d. 1885) by Alexandre Falguière in the chief square. The public institutions include tribunals of first instance and of commerce, a board of trade-arbitrators, and a communal college. Abbeville is an important industrial centre; in addition to its old-established manufacture of cloth, hemp-spinning, sugar-making, shipbuilding and locksmiths' work are carried on; there is active commerce in grain, but the port has little trade."

A ecis Brievenbus 23:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with having it in the article as a direct quote? Mjroots (talk)

This doesn't sound right

 * On 12th September 1939 in Abbeville took place a conference in which France and Great Britain decided not to help Poland in its fight against Germany.

Considering that the UK had already declared war by then, surely the UK had already decided to help Poland? It's unrefereced, so I will tag it as such. Mjroots (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * declaring war is not the same as helping. According to the agreement with Poland GB and France were supposed to move into Germany from the west when most of German forces were tied in the east which would end the war before xmas. They didn't and it was the Abbeville conference when they officially decided to keep doing nothing until Germany finishes Poland, reinforces and moves west. Errarel (talk) 15:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Also Germans did not leave many forces on the west, so it was the best moment for England and France to invade Germany. We would not have so many victims and Holocaust then! It was a wrong decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.177.2.232 (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Abbeville Massacre
20th May 1940 was also the day of the Abbeville Massacre, a wanton shooting exercise by French soldiers of random foreigners who had been rounded up in a cellar. Victims included a Canadian ice hockey coach and the chairman of a pro-Flemish party. I find it somewhat odd that nothing about that is mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.22.99 (talk) 22:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's indeed odd, in fact the Abbeville Massacre should have its own article! --41.151.106.198 (talk) 21:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Well it is mentioned now, but confusing:

"On 20 May, when the advancing German Army cut off the area (see following), a group of French soldiers carried out a massacre and killed a number of members of the right wing Verdinaso and Rexist Party and of the Belgian Communist Party. Altogether, twenty two suspects of varying political stripe were selected and executed without trial."

Are the "suspects" the massacre-ees or the massacre-ers? Since it does not say the detainees/prisoners were actually suspected of anything to begin with, it is not completely clear if this refers to the massacre itself or the punishment of those who conducted the massacre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.20.170 (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

translation
I did a small amount of cleanup of matter that seemed to be over-literally translated from French; there is more to do, and I do not understand every detail. —Tamfang (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)