Talk:Abdul Quddus Bizenjo

Please discuss...
... here before you make changes. --Saqib (talk) 15:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

This is created to agree on common ground for Abdul Quddus Bizenjo

This is incorrect, Bizenjo was not named  candidate, instead he wanted to become speaker. And Rahile Durrani was nominated by Chief Minister. 
 * Point-1 of discussion: Bizenjo was named as a potential candidate to overtake Jamali as the succeeding Speaker however he could not. After Rahila Durrani was made the new Speaker by Chief Minister Nawab Sanaullah Khan Zehri belonging to ruling Pakistan Muslim League (N) (PML-N)

It is unclear why no confidence vote was moved against him, and why he resigned. If you read it with next paragraphs, it seems like Bizenjo played against him to move him out , and he was playing dirty politics. Instead the fact is that, after Senate elections 2015, he quitted ruling party PML-N and he resigned the position, since he didn't had the mandate. 
 * Point-2: After Speaker of the Provincial Assembly, Jan Mohammad Jamali resigned from his post in 2015 prior to a vote of no confidence against him

We agreed here, that he got 544 votes due to poor security situation of Balochistan, and low turn out. If election commission of Pakistan, ECP accepted this number of votes and declared him victorious then, how come he is being mocked on News by GEO news, entering at January 2018? Why didn't GEO News objected on his 544 votes, when he was nominated as deputy speaker Balouchistan Assembly and was with ruling party PML-N? [ http://newsweekpakistan.com/in-balochistan-voter-turnout-remains-low/]   
 * Point-3: He secured 544 votes in a constituency where there were 57,666 registered voters. Geo News, noted Bizenjo was elected to Balochistan Assembly by getting least number of votes in the electoral history of Pakistan.

The above lines are used to shape a narrative latter that since he got less votes due to security threats in Balouchistan so therefore, he doesn't have right to become chief Minister?

Dawn's editorial used in really bad taste. The narrative shaping is done in seriously biased way. Even if obtained 544 votes, he was accepted by election commission of Pakistan (ECP) as winner in 2013 elections, and member of Provisional assembly. And according to constitution of Pakistan, he bears a right to be elected as Chief Minister of Baluchistan in the same way as any other MPAs of Balouchistan Assembly? He was very good guy and no one criticised him as long as he was with ruling party PML-N, they retained him to the position of Deputy speaker until 2015, of balouchistan Assembly. But it become suddenly undemocratic in January 2018, after he defected from ruling party PML-N , even though few months were left for PML-N to complete its term.
 * Point-4: Dawn in its editorial termed the election of Bizenjo for the office of chief ministership as "Undemocratic poll", noting how Bizenjo - who received 544 votes in the election - being the weakest candidate for the slot of chief ministership could become the "best" candidate.

The editorial augmented with the entire paragraph narratives that, selection of Bizenjo is done to dislodged PML-N from 4.5 years tenure despite the fact that it has strength in parliament. Is this a page for political analysis of PML-N's situation in Balouchistan or is it meant to be a page for Bizenjo? What is point of placing all this information under Chief Minister's heading?
 * Point-5: PML-N, which was the largest single party in the assembly with 21 members, failed to nominate its candidate for the post of chief minister.[22] The Express Tribune in its editorial noted that in a significant move, PML-N "stood dislodged from the government of the province" after governing it for four and half year.

Lets also look these facts rationally, PML-N won 9 seats in election 2013 from Balouchistan as sourced by this dawn news source,. PML-N obtained 9 MPAs seats in PB 33, PB 50, PB 23 PB 25, PB 26, PB 27, PB 29 , PB 14, PB 1 , having 13.1% of total obtained vote, and One NA seat Maj (G) retd. Qadir Balouch. Besides the seats obtained are mostly PML-Q deflected politicians which joined PML-N prior to elections. As a matter or fact PML-N doesn't have any or little presence in Balouchistan. Any govt. in federal make alliance with independent candidates in Balouchistan and same was done by PML-N. Nominated C.M. Sana Ullah Zehri didn't took interest in the province and visited Balouchistan 2 to 3 days a month and remained mostly abroad. When PML-N lost their grip after Panama leaks case Bizenjo united annoyed MPAs, who were already angry over Sana Ullah Zehri's conduct.

Having said the above, the wikipedia article shapes opinion that a conspiracy was planned against PML-N and it was "Single Largest" party, which it was not, how come , some thing is dislodged if it does have mandate made with foreign candidates?

I am failed to understand why we need to mention, including the votes of dissident MPAs of PML-N, a party considered to be the arch rival of PML-Q. He obtained 41 votes out of 65 total MPAs, while PML-N has only 9 MPAs , howcome, it can be determined that votes were casted by PML-N's MPAs? May be PML-N's MPAs were among 24 which doesn't casted vote? Again the is political narrative shaping that PML-N is broken down in balouchistan to manipulate senate elections?
 * Point-6: Bizenjo was elected as the Chief Minister of Balochistan, securing 41 out of total 65 votes in the assembly including the votes of dissident MPAs of PML-N, a party considered to be the arch rival of PML-Q

PML-N narrative is, it lost senate election because establishment manipulated Balouchistan regime and use it against it. Why we need to mension 'ahead of senate elections', further more again how can your determine that PML-N's nine MPAs supported him? Even if we did, It's constitutional right of every MPAs to vote non confidence motion against C.M. And most importantly what is point of placing it under Political career?
 * Point-7:Bizenjo was supported by dissent MPAs belonging to PML-N which led to the resignation of the Zehri and caused a major setback to PML-N ahead of 2018 Senate election due to held in March 2018

Factually incorrect, he didn't played any role. MPAs in Balouchistan were angry over Sanaullah Zehri due to his lack of interest in the province, it was mainly lead by Ataullah Mengal and Bizenjo was just nominated as Chief minister. Besides it involve all independents and all major nationalist in the province. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassan Nazeer Chaudhry (talk • contribs)
 * Point-8:Bizenjo played a major role to outser the sitting Chief Minister Nawab Sanaullah Khan Zehri
 * I think I can agree with you on point 1 and 2, it's mainly a case of re-wording. But I'm afraid I cannot agree on rest of the points. As I said earlier, you cannot remove the properly sourced material. For what it's worth, the criterion for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. If a reliable source says something, then that counts as a "fact". --Saqib (talk) 06:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Major Objections on article

 * Mocking him that he obtained 544 votes in general election, despite the fact that turn out was quite low in surrounding  constituencies in election 2013. The similar mocking is done by Maryam Nawaz, ouster prime minister's daughter and Mian Muhammad Nawaz Shareef. And news source from GEO news from January 2018 is quoted for this purpose , which is at the end of 5 years PML-N tenure.
 * Saying that how come he become Chief minister, and specifically mentioning that since he obtained 544 votes how can be he C.M. Election commission of Pakistan, in 2013 accepted the results with 544 votes, and he was made deputy speaker of Baluchistan assembly by ruling PML-N. Suddenly it become bad precedence when he went against PML-N?
 * Saying that he was nominated as Speaker, still he resigned latter. The fact is that he wanted to become Speaker, PML-N nominated Rahila Durrani, so he resigned , since Rehila Durrani was his junior , and did not wanted to work under her junior as her deputy. Also in the same context why Jan Mohammad Jamali resigned is painted in biased way. He resigned from PML-N at first place and then resigned afterwards from position of speaker , so that motion of no confidence can't be moved against him. Instead the article paints it like, Bizenjo manipulated non motion confidence against him to become speaker himself , but he was unable to become speaker.

'I hope you will do some research on the facts, and will read the article again in terms that Wikipedia page about Abdul Quddus Bizenjo should contain information about him and not political analysis, PML-N political agenda, politics of PML-N in Balouchistan so on.' Even the reference are misused and sentence structure and flow of article is used to build a narrative of ruling party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassan Nazeer Chaudhry (talk • contribs) 16:45, 12 April 2018 (UTC)