Talk:Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah

why remove that from the lead
? soibangla (talk) 01:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * shouldn't we add more detail abt his death in the body rather than opening and just put his death date in opening brackets? Charliebsu (talk) 01:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, which is why the lead sentence was brief and the body should elaborate with details: two agents on motorbike, at US request, daughter also killed, etc. Lead summarizes body.
 * Usually death date is only in the lead, nothing more, rest goes in bodyCharliebsu (talk) 02:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

soibangla (talk) 01:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Is the NYT report enough to call him dead?
I don't have a strong opinion on this question, but I think it's worth discussing: Currently, only a single publication (admittedly a quite well-respected one) has reported that Abdullah is dead. IPs have been edit-warring as to whether he should be referred to as dead in the lede, the infobox, and the body of the article. (I've requested PC or semi-protection on that basis.) It seems like we should establish a consensus here: Do we refer to him as dead, or just as reportedly dead? Tamzin (they/them) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 23:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Semi protected for a day, so spirits cool down. -- Luk  talk 23:31, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll add that, regardless of this discussion's ultimate outcome, I think that for the time being we should probably not refer to him as dead, as a BLP/BDP matter. That said, this doesn't meet the "unsourced or poorly sourced" standard for summary removal, and I want to be cognizant of The Wrong Version, so I'll hold off on making that change until/unless a second uninvolved editor (with respect to the edit war) agrees. Tamzin (they/them) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 23:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Mondoweiss addition
I think the paragraph quoting Mondoweiss needs to be removed or reworked. First, it isn't clear what the "misleading" or "dishonesty" refers to. If the entire report, it has been confirmed by several outlets. The mention of Ronen Bergman is ad hominem. The only part worth saving is a criticism of of using unnamed officials. Criticism of the story is fine with me, but a better write up is necessary. Maybe there is a better source out there. Pinging - Mnnlaxer &#124;  talk  &#124; stalk 02:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Nuked it. We already say that the NYT's intelligence sources are unnamed. "Reeks of dishonesty" is indeed ad hominem and the only reason I could think to include it is if the utterance itself were notable (e.g., if it came from a notable person rather than a random op-ed). Einsof (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Which Al Masri?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/25/senior-al-qaeda-leader-abu-muhsin-al-masri-killed-in-afghanistan. "Al-Masri, an Egyptian national believed to be al-Qaeda’s second-in-command, was killed during a special operation in the central Ghazni province, Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security (NDS) said in a tweet late on Saturday.". So...are we sure Abu Muhsin al-Masri and Abu Mohammed al-Masri are different individuals?. -- HC PUNX  KID 20:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are different people. They have their own entries on the FBI list . - Mnnlaxer &#124; talk  &#124; stalk 21:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yet, the Al-Jazeera article claims Abu Mushin Al-Masri was al-Qaeda’s second-in-command, a title attributed also to Abu Mohammed al-Masri.-- HC PUNX  KID 20:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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