Talk:Abel Tasman

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The article states "This way, he completely missed Australia, but did finally find land at the island of Tasmania [...]". Since Tasmania is usually considered to be part of Australia, it might better read something like "This way, he completely missed mainland Australia, but did finally find all of asshole land at the island of Tasmania [...]". Similarly for the later sentence about visitors visiting Australia but not (what became) Tasmania.

A small change, for sure, but to this Australian it's rather odd to see Tasmania excluded from Australia.

Comment about portrait of Tasman moved here from article
''This portrait, purporting to be of Abel Tasman, is almost certainly someone else. Further details on Nathaniel B Hooker's website.''

I don't know the reliability of that site and that claim... Maybe someone wants to look at it. Arnomane 22:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Comparing to other pictures I have found, they seem to be of the same person. I have put in a new picture - which might, however, be based on the family portrait. --dllu 21:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions&Answers
I have a question:

Why did the Dutch East India Trading Company colonised Idonesian and established those islands as their main base in South East Asia and from there they set out to explore the Pacific?

Also another question:

Continued from last-They had similar aims(they meaning the expeditions) what were those aims?

And another:

What equipment and resources did Abel Tasman take with him?

Please answer my questions

"Van Diemen's Land (now Tasmania)"
In other articles on Van Diemen's Land is given as the old name for all of Australia, including the mainland. Of course Tasmania was named after Tasman, but was not all of Australia namen by Tasman after his lord Van Diemen?

Either this article is incorrect or some other articles are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.197.33.214 (talk) 11:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Inappropriate Information included in this artilce
Under the Heading "Tasmania" the following lines are included at the bottom of the paragraph:

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A Dutch surname included in the Australian national Soccer Team is drawing a long bow when it comes to Able Tasman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bomberthompson (talk • contribs) 01:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC). jayda is the best.
 * You're right, that sentence was complete nonsense. Removed. --dllu 09:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

ths is pospotrous!!(tht is NOT how u spell it) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.30.170 (talk) 05:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Uncle Donald Ducks
A portrait of a 17th century man painted in 1903? Based on what exactly? An old photograph perhaps? Reminds me of Doodles Weaver in the famous horse race: "It's going to be very close. It will either be a photofinish or an oil painting". Citation please, guys....Captainbeefart 15:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

WP Aus B-class assessment
Article is still B class requires inline citations and further expansion Gnangarra 03:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Death date
What is the source for the October 10 death date? The Tasman museum in Lutjegast has it that the exact date of death is unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zwart (talk • contribs) 20:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

when did abel tasman first become a explorer ?
When did the netherlands first commision Abel Tasman to be an explorer? In what year did Abel Tasman make his first expedition? It says in the year 1634 was when he made his first trip to pacific but I'm still not sure if this was when he become an explorer. If no one gets back to me on this soon I'll assume that 1634 was his very first exploratory voyage 99.164.123.146 (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Clarity of article
I would suggest that this article could use a bit of a tidy-up or reorganization. Especially the first half which is a heavy mix of facts and citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.111.2 (talk) 22:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest to skip the subsection Beach, and Terra Australis. English in not my mothertongue, but I doubt if anyone understands clearly what is written there. Is there someone who could help, so only a few really important sentences will be left? Taksen (talk) 06:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Why two images of Solomon Islands canoes?
Abel Tasman never visited the Solomon Islands, so why have two images of canoes from there? Moriori (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand
Tasman's own account of the first contact with Maori makes it clear that it was Maori who were the attackers and killed 4 men in a small cockboat. Tasman decided to depart when he saw 22 waka being assembled on the beach shortly afterwards. As the ships sailed out of the bay they were chased by 11 waka. As they closed the Zeehan (which had lost the 4 sailors)shots were fired and a single Maori was seen to fall down but his fate was never established. A few minutes later a cannon loaded with cannister shot was fired at a waka and hit it on the side. No Maori casualties were seen. Tasman, nor his men ever landed in NZ. Claudia.

Tasmantis under Legacy?
On the page on Zealandia it mentions that another name for the continent is Tasmantis. There's no other mention of it on that page, but I'm assuming that was also named after Abel Tasman. Could someone who knows better please confirm, and hopefully add it to the list in the Legacy section? superman (talk) 04:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Unclear
This article is very confused in several places.

1. From where did he depart on his first voyage? The return voyage ended up in Batavia, so is that where he started from? That seems unlikely if his first stop was Mauritius.

2. "...snow and hail influenced Tasman to alter course to a more northern direction." But we don't know what his original course was, so now we don't know what the altered course is north of.

3. "Part of the western shore of the continent was already known to the Dutch." What does this have to do with anything? And what continent are we talking about?

4. "The poor in Lutjegast received the small amount of only 25 guilders (about a month wage for one craftsman)." Again, what does this have to do with anything? Received from whom? Tasman wasn't poor and he no longer lived in Lutjegast. This is a total non sequitur. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Answers
Hello Kendall, Tasman probably was stingy, I felt sorry for the poor. The money was probably enough for one party. The article should not become a hagiography in my point of view.

A return voyage is from Batavia, from the Dutch point of view. And Australia wasn't called Australia, so I was careful probably not to use that name, but you could change that if you like.

If Tasman lived in Amsterdam before he left, and came back to Amsterdam after his voyage, his ship probably left from Amsterdam, don't you think? For whom should I explain that, it is so obvious.

Tasman may have followed the Brouwer Route. Since 1617 VOC-ships had to take this southern route, discovered by Hendrick Brouwer. What was obvious for me, is not obvious for you. But again change what you think needs to be done. It is some time ago I made changes here. P.S. I think the section on Beach and Terra Australis is too complicated, too much detail, please put your skills there. Taksen (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

What is mentioned first in a testimony is property, not the small amount of money for the poor, highly unlikely.Taksen (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Why should I discuss things with people who don't have a profile. Could you please explain that?Taksen (talk) 05:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC) I don't think you are an expert, your contributions go from flush toilet to ...Taksen (talk) 05:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC). I have to do what you did not? You changed the size of the pictures without discussing it. The readability and attractiveness of the article went down. Taksen (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Second Voyage
I am confused about this: "... He missed the Torres Strait between New Guinea and Australia, and continued his voyage westwards along the north Australian coast. He mapped the north coast of Australia ...". I guess I should look at a map and figure out exactly where the Torres Strait is located I'm assuming it separates New Guinea and Australia), but if one follows the north Australian Coast wouldn't one have to go through whichever strait separates New Guinea and Australia? Or is this sentence indicating that Tasman didn't go as east as the Torres Strait?  Terry Thorgaard (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you look at the map it's obvious that it indicates he didn't go far enough east to go through the strait. Agreed the wording is a bit vague. Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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Refinement
The article states that Abel Tasman sailed North from Tasmania to NewZealand, it’s actually East. 103.235.93.252 (talk) 01:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)