Talk:Abercrombie & Fitch/Archive 2

I have added the contradict template plate because of revenue and employee number stats
If you check the "A&F" portal/content organizer at the bottom of the page, it lists revenues for the company at $12Billion and employees at 90,000+ or so. In the company-profile box though, these numbers do not match.

I do not know the actual numbers, but clearly, this is contradictory and confusing and should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.201.172 (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

A&F Magazine: when did it cease publishing?
If you know, let me know here. --zenohockey (talk) 07:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Banner
Hey, I have made some changes to this article and believe that it is no longer written like an advertisement, I think we can take off the banner now. Please give me your opinion. --User:margaretq13

The tone of the article, again hi
I know that the company uses different unique ways to promote the brand, (pure cashmere cotton, ooh la la) but Wikipedia needs to stay away from this kind of tone. Some sections are really beginning to read like another advertisement for the brand and poor writing at the same time. To make this worse, some sentences aren't even accompanied with sources. And by the way $ xxx USD is very redundant. Why would you say 5000 dollars United States dollars? It's just 5000 USD. or $5000 which makes $5000. Not to mention that the dollar sign doesn't need to be linked more than once. мirаgeinred سَراب ٭ (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

expansion in canada
um. the first abercrombie kids store is opening at SHERWAY. not the eaton centre.

www.sherwaygardens.ca. if you go to the employment page, they say they're hiring. the eaton centre does not say abercrombiekids will open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Couturevogue (talk • contribs) 20:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"Consumer Age"
I am removing the "Consumer Age" item from the infobox. the age listed is the age to which the brand is marketed. This is not the age of the consumer. If there existed a reliable source concerning the actual consumer demographics, that would be acceptable in the infobox. However a particular aspect of the marketing efforts is not. -Seidenstud (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea. мirаgeinred سَراب ٭  (talk) 07:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"retail" vs. "fashion"
The question has come up as to whether A&F is a "retail" or "fashion" entity. The argument for it being in the "fashion" industry is that retailers "by definition" sell products made by someone else, whereas A&F sells its own products. This is not consistent with the definition of "retail" according to the AH dictionary  - "To sell in small quantities directly to consumers." More importantl though, it is very easy to find reliable sources calling it a retailer (,, , etc. If necessary, the article can refer to these sources. -Seidenstud (talk)

Image copyright problem with File:Abercrombienavymoose.png
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Lawsuit by disabled woman
I read today in the BBC News' Most Popular section, the news about Ms. Riam Dean, a disabled young woman who decided to sue A&F for discrimination and bullying. She alleges that she was discriminated against and bullied because her prosthetic left arm is at odds with A&F's image. I think this should be mentioned in the Wikipedia article, because it's how a lot of people outside USA have first heard about A&F.
 * Never mind, I just noticed that the lawsuit is indeed mentioned. If someone higher-up in the Wikipedia hierarchy feels this discussion entry should be erased, feel free to do it. I am not sure if that's in accordance to normal practices so I will leave it here, but otherwise, feel free to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.137.56 (talk • contribs)
 * She has been awarded about £8,000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8200140.stm --86.142.219.79 (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I have heard a lot of controversies about A&F, back in high school, i read this one article on how A&F is being racist in manny aspects, such as the criteria how they hire their employees based on some kind of backgrounds that meets their requirements. For instance, A&F models walk around the mall to recruit aspiring new employees that fits the image of A&F.2ne1flip (talk) 08:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Abercrombie and Fitch fined for discrimination against autistic girl in Minnesota. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.171.155.245 (talk) 21:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

POV-check tag
I added this tag because at the moment the page colours (specifically those "information boxes") have colours mathcing the brands' colours. I don't think this is a good idea - why is this article any different form other entries? It should have regular Wikipedia colours, otherwise it's the same as some company getting to physically design their own entry for a hardcover encyclopedia. -- Helge123
 * That was a recent change to the infobox template. I've undone that change. It was non-standard formatting. Is there anything else or can we remove the tag?   Will Beback    talk    17:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the other info-box is still in the stylistic colour of A&R, as is the history page of the company :) --Helge123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helge123 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

"Written like an advertisement" tag
This article is infested with adspeak and badly needs a tough edit to remove it. Samples:
 * "The modern Canoe store design features white molding and black louvers on the exterior.[37] The main marketing image lies against the front wall facing the entrance.The interiors are highlighted with dim ceiling-lights and spot lighting. One iconic aspect is the lingering scent of Fierce, an A&F fragrance, which is automatically spritzed from black boxes containing the concentrated fragrance in the lighting tracks and manually spritzed every day by employees. The distinguishing blasting electronic dance music is meant to create an exclusively fun, upbeat atmosphere particularly for the young."


 * "A great illuminated steel-staircase, surrounded by a four-story high mural of chiseled men in athletic poses, provides consumer circulation between floors.[28] On the lower floor is the "Jeans Bar" showcasing A&F premium denim reclined in glass cases."

In general, the article reads more like a glossy brochure than something that belongs in an encyclopedia. --CliffC (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. This company has a lot of fans. Various editors have worked to scrape off the promotional language before, but it's a constant battle. Care to take a turn?   Will Beback    talk    01:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have started a cleanup effort. Based on the writing, I'd say it was less "fans" than employees of A&F's public relations department, with maybe a few college students showing off their skills as part of a marketing assignment. --CliffC (talk) 12:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks better now, but still somewhat promotional for an encyclopedia. I'll leave it up to someone else to decide whether to take the advert tag off.  --CliffC (talk) 01:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Question on advertising

 * I have question. Would it be advertising to include actual grounded facts. I mean like the fact that the Ginza location in the tallest structure in the area, that it has the tallest mural in the world, and the the Fifth Avenue locale is among the most profitable on the street. It's not promotion, it is just a basic fact like the Burj Dubai being the tallest in the world - hardly meant as marketing. I have been looking into the Apple, Inc. page and it pretty much mentions similar stuff attributed to the company and its image yet I do not see edits that the Abercrombie & Fitch article has under gone on the Apple one. Biased editors? Take a look at that and then tell me if I am missing something, please. --Hpfan1 (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, the Apple article has undergone changes as well. I apologize. But my question to the "grounded facts" remains. I should be included, right? --Hpfan1 (talk) 12:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hpfan1, when I look at your history of contributions, I see edits such as this that seem to demonstrate an extensive inside knowledge of the workings of A&F and suggest a possible conflict of interest with the goal of producing a neutral encyclopedia. Your comparison of the level of promotional language on the Apple page to that on A&F's is not a valid one, that is called the other stuff exists argument and is never valid.  When there is a lot of promotional language on any page, that just suggests that it hasn't yet been noticed and cleaned up by an interested editor.  If we say something like "the Tokyo store is situated in the tallest building in the Ginza", although perhaps factual, that is just promotional language – corporate bragging that tells us nothing substantial about A&F.  --CliffC (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Flagship stores
Where is the list of flagship stores? Today someone deleted a store, saying it was no longer a flagship. I looked around a little on the website but couldn't find any stores being listed as flagships. Where are we getting this information? If it's just from unverifiable internal documents then we should delete it.  Will Beback   talk    05:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Four flagship stores are currently in operation:

That was me. I recently deleted it again, however, it is true. I can't find anywhere where it says it, but I learned this from several people on an online forum (about A&F) that all said this, including someone that worked there. Also, on the website, they removed where it said "flagship" by the store, however, they have removed all of them that said "flagship" about a few months after they removed it from the Grove. Next, since it's no longer a flagship, they opened an abercrombie (kids) store on the third level. Also, it doesn't include The Grove in the list of flagships on this picture, which was pulled from the A&F investors somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=376154918874&set=o.21938907797

Ct92 (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that explanation. Since we can't find sources that identify the flagships, and since the lists of stores and future stores is sprawling across the article, I'm inclined to delete the whole flagship list. Wikipedia is not a directory of stores.   Will Beback    talk    01:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That section has been awaiting citation since 17 October and has now been deleted. The other store lists should probably be deleted also; as you point out, WP:NOTDIRECTORY.  --CliffC (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Expansion campaign
The Expansion Campaign is out of date. In fact,it looks as if Abercrombie and Fitch are having financial problems. I am thinking of redoing or scrapping the Expansion campaign. Here is a link with info I would like to use http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/abercrombie-closing-stores-2012_n_1280199.html Would anyone object or like to help me?--BeckiGreen (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The store closures are primarily in the United States. The company is still expanding internationally and currently has plans to open new stores.  Dough 48  72  21:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Then I can add info about store closures in the US and how their sales have fallen.--BeckiGreen (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a couple of sentences about that would help in the history.  Dough 48  72  00:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

"Internet exploded" section under Management
Is certainly violating voice, and probably several other rules as well. Source is just a slideshow of user-created images insulting Jeffries. Harrisoncohix (talk) 17:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Deadlink.
There are some dead links. Might want to remove them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewnited (talk • contribs) 18:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

This article needs help.
I attempted to clean up the article, removing information that would be classified as trivial (do we really need a list of models?), but another user is apparently unhappy with that. There's too much hyperbole and advertising-esque bloat. I will make additional edits to this article, less drastic than my previous edits but still removing unnecessary and trivial information that does not contribute to the article. -- Swishyhair (talk) 23:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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