Talk:Abraham's family tree

Abraham's family tree is incomplete
The texts says clearly that Abraham was married to Keturah once Sara died and that the six sons she had with him were: Zimran, Jocsan, Medan, Madian, Isbac, Suaj. Madian has 5 sons with Keturah: Efa, Efer, Janoc, Abida, Elda. See Genesis 25:1-6 Ai Leen! (talk) 01:11, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, came here to make the same point. Abraham 's later some not mentioned. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 12:45, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Later sons, I meant. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 12:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Has this issue been resolved? The sons of Abraham and Keturah surely need to be added>Vinnypatel (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * They still haven’t added Katura or Abraham’s additional 6 sons! 38.141.251.25 (talk) 11:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I have added Abraham's second wife, Keturah, and their sons. Bbylion (talk) 19:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Sara's relation to Abraham
Sara was Abraham's niece; daughter of Haran and not his half sister as listed on this template.Nerguy (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Corrected. I've put Iscah daughter of Haran (according to Genesis 11) on as well, but apparently this may just have been another name for Sarah. BartBassist (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Genesis 20:12 says that Sarah is Abraham's sister, why do you insist that she is his neice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.126.71 (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Historical Background of Abraham's Genealogy
Hello! I am a student at Miami University. I am in a class that studies the Hebrew Bible. I noticed that this article doesn't have any information on source criticism or the historical background of Abraham's genealogy. I found reliable information on this topic in Michael D. Coogan's, "The Old Testament," a very reliable source. I am proposing that we add a new section called: Historical Background and Source Criticism. Under this new section I would like the following to be added:

The Genealogy of Abraham appears in Genesis 5, Genesis 10:1-7, 20, 22-23, 31-32, and Genesis 11. These genealogies are provided by P.

Please let me know if you have anything to add, as well as anything to improve!

Grahamcrackered (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Chart does work -- Template:Family tree is deprecated
If you don't know how to use Template:Chart please ask for help. tahc chat 12:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Images of Issac not listed
Below the text there is not an image of Issac below Abraham. Smchand (talk) 12:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

There is one Ishmael but not of Issac. Is there a way I can edit that? Smchand (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARY
, firstly, please do not WP:EDITWAR; you have been warned about this before in August 2022.

Secondly, do not remove maintenance templaces when You do not understand the issues raised by the template, when The issue has not yet been resolved, and when The problem that the maintenance template flags is plainly and unambiguously required for a proper article under Wikipedia's policies and guidelines (WP:WNTRMT).

Thirdly, one of the two policies that applies here is WP:PRIMARY, as I have stated in my edit summary and the maintenance templates Template:religious text primary and Template:Non-primary source needed. The Bible, as well as the Quran, are PRIMARY sources that cannot be used to make some the statements made here, unless they are direct quotes (in which case the version of the Bible must be specified rather than simply putting (Genesis 21:1-7) in the middle of a sentence). The Abraham's family tree section even consists entirely of references to the Quran, but conclusions are drawn that cannot be found in the Quran itself (WP:SYNTH); you have not addressed this in the edit summaries of your two reversions by saying This is entirely based on the biblical narrative (...) It is clearly attributed to the Hebrew Bible from the beginning of article. (...) it's attributed to the Bible..

Finally, the other policy that applies here is WP:V, hence the maintenance templates Template:Refimprove and Template:Citation needed. Many claims in the article aren't even supported by references to the Hebrew Bible, so you've got no justification to remove these templates before fixing the lack of reliable sources (WP:RS). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Theorizing on Cainan
The template/family tree under the section "Family tree" includes a dubious POV theory to reconcile the LXX with the MT/SP versions as to the existence of Cainan son of Arphaxad. TuckerResearch (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing the Family Tree of Abrahams - both of them
I don't dispute the family tree of Abraham. My contention is that there were 2 Abrahams, and this is the family tree for the second Abraham, who was contemporary with Chedorlaomer, 10 generations after Noah.

An earlier person also named Abraham was contemporary with Nimrod, who was only 4 generations after Noah. This 140 year discrepancy is not within the margin of error.

Within this family tree, Abraham comes after Nahor and Terah. We know who they were and when and where they lived. Nahor is derived from Nahar, the Ugaritic deity. And Terah is derived from Taweret(silent t). The Greeks called them Nereus and Doris(Greeks add s's).

Nahor is Horemheb, who conquered Ugarit, and was suckled by Taweret. Which makes this Abraham, who lived a couple generation later, also in Ugarit, Ibiranu II.

Ibiranu I of Ugarit was 6 generations earlier, coincidentally would have been contemporary with Nimrod. 2601:58B:E7F:8410:24E0:4C75:F4E5:39D3 (talk) 03:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have sources for these identifications? Dimadick (talk) 13:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Abraham and Hagar married?
There is a "marriage" link (dotted line) between Abraham and Hagar. In the text and everything I've read they were never married. They simply had a child, Ishmael, as Sarah believed herself to be barren. 73.112.67.217 (talk) 22:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hagar was a concubine. Dimadick (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)