Talk:Abu Ghosh/Archive 1

not acceptable
The following passage (from Benny Morris) has been cut out (and instead "summarized" into one line):

1948-1950
The villagers of Abu Ghosh had first been expelled in 1948, but the bulk of the inhabitants "infiltrated" back home in the following months/years. In the second half of 1949, the IDF and police started to descend on Abu Ghosh in a series of search-and-expel operations, where they rounded up the most recent "infiltrators" and pushed them over the border into Jordan. (Morris, p. 267-268): Following one such round-up, in early 1950, the inhabitants of Abu Gosh sent off an "open letter", to Knesset members and journalists, writing that the Israelis had repeatedly "'surrounded our village, and taken our women, children and old folk, and thrown them over the border and into the Negev Desert, and many of them died in consequence, when they were shot [trying to make their way back across] the borders'." So far, the inhabitants had held their peace."'But we cannot remain silent in face of the latest incident last Friday, when we woke up to the shouts blaring over the loudspeaker announcing that the village was surrounded and anyone trying to get out would be shot....The police and military forces then began to enter the houses and conduct meticulous searches, but no contraband was found. In the end, using force and blows, they gathered up our women, and old folk and children, the sick and the blind and pregnant women. These shouted for help but there was no saviour. And we looked on and were powerless to do anything save beg for mercy. Alas, our pleas were of no avail... They then took the prisoners, who were weeping and screaming, to an unknown place, and we still do not know what befell them.' (quoted in Morris, 1994)" Partly due to public outcry, most of the inhabitants were allowed home. Morris writes (p. 269): In the end only several dozen Abu Ghosh families remained in exile, as refugees, in the Ramallah area in the West Bank.

...instead, one has inserted has a long, full quote by a casual inhabitant. This is really not acceptable. I am reinserting the full quote from Morris. Regards, Huldra 16:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This whole section by Benny Morris is POV and sticks out like a sore thumb. The "cut and paste" feel is so blatant. I say it should be removed. The person who inserted it here is looking for some way to push his/her agenda. When it comes to Abu Ghosh, this anti-Israel bias doesn't pass muster.--Gilabrand 17:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whaw. I am afraid that whatever you think of Morris, his writing is more representative for the history of the Abu Ghosh than some "cherry-picked" interview with an inhabitant. And that the villagers of Abu Ghosh were friendly towards the Yishuv: nobody is arguing against it. In fact; some would see that as a point. Regards, Huldra

Not Arabs
The residents of Abu Ghosh almost entirely hail from Cherkes ethnicity, therfore they are not Arab. The entire population hails from a single father, and are essentially within the same family. This should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.44.20 (talk) 13:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This is correct

"The four clans that comprise Abu Ghosh trace their origins to the Caucasus, from which they claim to have emigrated in the 16th century."

The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/chechen-president-dedicates-abu-ghosh-mega-mosque/

BenjaminKay (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

POV Edit Abu Ghoshes Family Perspective moved for discussion
Moved the entire content below to avoid hopefully senseless edit wars. No opinion on content. MLauba (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

There are no Circassian in Abu Gosh. They are arabs. I live near Abu Gosh - they speak arabian, wright in arabian and look like arabs. Here is document from israeli statistics bureau (in hebrew) about population of Abu Gosh - there written that there are only arabs in Abu Gosh: http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/local_authorities2005/pdf/308_0472.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.17.2 (talk) 23:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Circassians
Greyshark, what is "Abraham J. Brawer, Shaked Gilboa (2nd ed.)"? You aren't allowed to copy citations from an intermediate source, see WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. One of the reasons for that rule is that it is easy to get the citation wrong, for example you might not realise that Abraham Brawer and Shaked Gilboa are both names of people so your citation is not a citation at all. Those two persons wrote the entry for Abu Ghosh in the 2nd edition of Encyclopedia Judaica. That entry describes Abu Ghosh as an Arab village and does not say what most of the residents consider their origin to be. So your edits are gone, please don't reinstert them without a proper source. Also note the comment just above this one. Zerotalk 06:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Headquarters of Golan Globus
It says in the section on culture that the headquarters of Golan Globus are in Abu Gosh. To the best of my knowledge they are in Neve Ilan (which is not far from Abu Gosh, but not in Abu Gosh). I suggest removing the part about Golan Globus from the article. 134.191.232.69 (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Jewish-Arab relations is incomplete for the Mandate Period
"Throughout the Mandate period, the village of Abu Ghosh was on friendly terms with local Jews." is attributed to Gelber, but on the page cited she is talking about the 1929 disturbances only. Check pp. 20-21. (https://books.google.pt/books?id=DPjhaJ5prXMC&lpg=PA13&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false) Later, during the Arab Revolt (1936-9), there was a faction (out of three, according to Cohen, p. 112, available at libgen) which supported the nationalists, fact which is attested most prominently by the picture that appears on Khalidi's Before Their Diaspora, and elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.147.61 (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

It is not israel, it is palestine
Since abu means father in arabic, it is an ancient arabic name like many other arabic names that start with abu, like abu jaber which is a Christian Jordanian family, one of the founders of jordan, and jordan is obviously an arabic Country. Abu ghosh is an arabic name and it is an ancient Palestinian family from centuries ago, israel has only existed since 1948. Baselkh96 (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)