Talk:Abu Hasan al-Ash'ari

Supertouch Revisions:
The revisions made by Supertouch clearly show a Salafi bias. The following quotes should suffice as a response:

Your edit:
Salafi writers claim that toward the end of his life, al-Ash'ari adopted the creed of orthodoxy, affirming that Allah 'rose above his throne' and possesses a 'face' and 'hands' as mentioned in the Qur'an

My Correction:
Salafi writers claim, however, that toward the end of his life al-Ash'ari adopted the anthropomorphic creed, even affirming that Allah literally 'rose above his throne' and possesses a literal "face" and literal "hands" as mentioned in the Qur'an

Your Edit
Other Muslim authors, however, dispute the historicity of this; and believe that his work, al-Ibaanah, was tampered to suit the orthodox school of thought.

My Correction
Orthodox Muslim authors however, dispute the historicity of this; and believe that al-Ibaanah was tampered to suit with the anthropomorphist school of thought.

This clearly shows that you have a salafi bias and do not consider Asharis to be Orthodox, whereas the vast majority of muslims do. Further your quote from Dhahabi is taken out of context since the quote simply elaborates the Ashari position of Tafwid.

Ash'ari bias
We have a clear attempt at insertion of Ash'arite POV here. The last opening of the "Views" section read:
 * "Muslims consider him to be the founder of the sunni Ash'ari tradition of Aqeedah with followers such as Abul-Hassan Al-Bahili, Abu Bakr Al-Baqillani, Imam Al-Haramain Abul-Ma’ali Al-Juwaini, Al-Razi, an-Nawawi, ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, as-Suyuti and Al-Ghazali."

The given source is Arab News; the link is dead but I found the story at a new address here. It reads:
 * "Al-Ash’ari thus formulated the theological outlook of Ahl al-Sunnah, and he was followed by a large number of distinguished scholars, most of them belonged to the Shafie school of law. Perhaps the most famous of these are Abul-Hassan Al-Bahili, Abu Bakr Al-Baqillani, Imam Al-Haramain Abul-Ma’ali Al-Juwaini, Al-Razi and Al-Ghazali."

Notice that Nawawi and Ibn Hajr were thrown into this article even though they aren't mentioned in the source. That's because the Ash'arites level a highly contested claim that Nawawi and Ibn Hajr were Ash'arites, despite Ibn Hajr for example refuting Ash'arites by name on at least one occasion. Needless to say, this is a clear violation of either Neutral point of view or No original research, depending on the intentions of whoever wrote that bit. I will remove it immediately, in addition to updating the link. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just noticed that the edit included Suyuti as well - also removed. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a movement among the modern Salafi movement to erase details which have been commonly accepted by academics today. I have added sources to the claim An-Nawawi and Al-Ghazali were, in fact, Ash'aris. The claim that they are not has never had any real traction in academic circles and MezzoMezzo has failed to provide a source to the contrary. If you want to remove this, please provide academic sources. DutchManfromtheEast (talk) 13:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources
Recently a number of text changes were made which made reference to the following sources:


 * http://www.asharis.com/creed/series/the-authentication-of-al-ibaanah.cfm
 * http://www.thenoblequran.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=gsc06&articleID=AQD060001&articlePages=1
 * http://www.abovethethrone.com/arsh/

All 3 of these sources are unreliable fanatical Salafi POV sites that consider all non-Salafis to be heretics and unbelievers. None of the sites have any scholarly or academic credibility. As such, I have reverted the article to it's previous version.RookTaker (talk) 07:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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