Talk:Abu al-Qasim al-Khoei

Requested move
Clergy of highest rank are named with their titles, see also the list of Popes for reference or Patriarchs. The Grand Ayatollah's are named with their title, this one seems to have been missed or forgotten... Gryffindor 22:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oppose. More NPOV to have just the name. CDThieme 00:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Support because this follows the convention established for the Popes and therefore seems more appropriate. See also WP:NCI Stefán Ingi 13:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Considering User:CDThieme has been outed as a sockpuppet and left Wikipedia, does his vote still count? Gryffindor 12:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that despite his behaviour he should be allowed to vote once. Stefán Ingi 13:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Support. [[Image:European-Austrian flag hybrid.svg|20px]] ナイトスタリオン ✉ 23:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Result
Moved. WhiteNight T 23:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Facts not established - should not be part of Wikipedia
Following paragraph has information, which is not factually established. Thus, it should not be part of Wikipedia. Please see below.

''His son Abdul Majid al-Khoei would later become a prominent Shia cleric who opposed the regime of Saddam Hussein. On April 10, 2003, having returned from exile in Britain to encourage guarded cooperation with the US occupation, he was killed near the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf by what some people claim the Mehdi-Army which is lead by Muqtada Al-Sadr.''

It has not been established that son of the Grand Ayatullah was killed by people loyal to Muqtada Al-Sadr. It is a rumour just like WMD in Iraq.

In the Shiite sect, sons of Grand Ayatullah do not become prominent Shia cleric, just because they are their son. He was a cleric with prominence because of him being son of a Grand Ayatullah. He was also not a prominent opposition to Saddam. Actually, he was in Iraq during part of 90's. It is a fact, he supported US invasion and occupation, in contrast to Grant Ayatullah Seestani.

Bottom line, in the section on Grand Ayatullah Khoei, there is no need for this paragraph as it does not throw any more light on the Grand Ayatullah.

REMOVE SECTION "HIS SONS" - FACTS NOT ESTABLISHED
The section "His Sons" does not add any facts in the encyclopedia. Alleged statements are NOT appropriate in an encyclopedia of Wikipedia's reputation. Also, in shia faith, being son of an Ayatollah does not deserve any mention. In the Shiite sect, sons of Grand Ayatullah do not become prominent Shia cleric, just because they are their son. He was a cleric with prominence because of him being son of a Grand Ayatullah. He was also not a prominent opposition to Saddam. Actually, he was in Iraq during part of 90's. It is a fact, he supported US invasion and occupation, in contrast to Grant Ayatullah Seestani. This world is filled with alleged statements. I am pretty sure, alleged statements against the sons of Ayatollah exist. This way you are opening door to major controversies. Remove this section.

Inaccuracy
Just thought I should point out, the article wrongly stated that his eldest son was sayed taqi al khoei. He also does not only have two sons.

ALI UN WALI UL ALLAH
sir kya app main se koi mujhe ye bata sakta hai - Ayatullah Al-Khoei ki kisi kitaab se k tashud main ALI UN WALI UL ALLAH parna wajib hai ya nahi. plz reply zaroor karain.

sahaz_101@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.62.34 (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Rivalry with Khomeini?
I've read on another WP article that he has tensions with Khomeini. Can anyone adress that issue on the article?.-- HC PUNX  KID 18:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems that no one can...-- HC PUNX  KID 18:22, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Passage has to be removed
The following passage has to be removed, as the link isn't working. Furthermore I doubt the validity of the passage, as it can't be found anywhere else. The section I am talking about is this one: Al-Khoei's status as the pre-eminent scholar of his age did not go unchallenged. In the 1970s, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Al-Shirazi, a radical theologian based in Karbala had a long running feud with Al Khoei and his fellow clerics in Najaf over the legitimacy of theocratic rule. The dispute resulted in Al-Khoei seeking to dismiss Al Shirazi's status as a religious scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AcademicMuslim (talk • contribs) 09:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why was the list of his students removed?
Why didn't you just put the list of his students in the talk page, instead of irreversibly deleting it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AcademicMuslim (talk • contribs) 09:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not an appropriate use of article talk pages. You need to click on History to see who is editing and their edit summary.  Doug Weller  talk 11:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information. I found the history and reason for the removal of the students' list: "each one needs both a source and an article, otherwise any editor could add anyone." It should be possible to add sources to each student and it can be put as a list, instead of an article. That would make it easier to see who his students were. I would like to change the topic of this talk to 'Why was the list of his students removed?'. AcademicMuslim  talk 11:24, 29 March 2020 (CEST)

Any evidence?
This wikipedia article suggests he was "interested in math and astronomy". ANY PROOF? Had he published something in any peer-reviewed Journal? Is there any reason we can believe he had any competence in astronomy/math? I hope Elena Ceausescu is not called "chemical engineer" here...

Sorry for my grammar. 77.110.145.190 (talk) 13:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)