Talk:Academic freedom at Brigham Young University

This text appears to be a copied verbatim from the main BYU page on wikipedia. Why should this page exist if the text is already on BYU's main page? Alternatively, why should the text be on the main BYU page if it exists here? (72.254.154.69 (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Because the BYU page is too long and that section will be summarized into a couple of paragraphs soon. This page will hold what used to be there. Wrad (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree - remember the guideline:Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and as such "there is no practical limit to the number of topics it can cover, or the total amount of content". I think this article should be merged with the main BYU article. --Descartes1979 (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I would like to agree that this should be integrated into the general BYU article. What non-Mormon encyclopedic source would ever actually commit to paper what we find on this article's page? A text on academic freedom might, but it would be full of opinion and insight, and those things aren't welcome here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moabalan (talk • contribs) 06:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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BYU also does not allow off-campus groups to use the campus for protests or demonstrations. On-campus groups and students must apply for a permit. DumZiBoT (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://ce.byu.edu/ed/edweek/form1.pdf

Jeffrey Nielsen section deletion
I've deleted the Jeffrey Nielsen section because it simply repeats information found earlier in the article.Kant66 (talk) 05:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Bias
This article relies far too much on the report of the AAUP which censured BYU. It too often ignores the real issues involved, such as having ognored to mention what Houston was advocating that caused concerns for administrators. To rely on a one-sided censure report in the epitome of POV pushing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I invite you to help fix the POV problem by writing in what you say is missing. I agree that the article completely avoids one of the real issues: that creating this sort of policy is one more among many examples of Mormon policy makers shooting BYU/LDS Church in the foot by stamping down on some of the most creative or accomplished people among them, like Brian Everson and Avraham Gileadi and the author of Hearts Made Glad, the history of Joseph Smith's love of alcohol. There are many settings, especially in humanities and social science, where BYU departments are looked at as something of a joke by fellow academics. But Wikipedia is designed to avoid such issues, because they're controversial.Moabalan (talk) 06:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC) How far you can get (how much you can learn) from these sorts of touchy subjects, from Wikipedia, is often not that far.Moabalan (talk) 06:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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"Fundamental" Church Doctrine
It strikes me that the use of "fundamental" here is a can of worms for the LDS Church/BYU because it requires drawing lines between fundamental and not-so-fundamental doctrine. Does anyone want to explain how an existing doctrine might be determined to be nonfundamental by BYU rule-enforcers? James Gordon, the source here, is my friend and is articulate, and I don't think he could manage that, if for no other reason, that he's not in the top leadership where doctrine is determined. Moabalan (talk) 06:29, 30 March 2017 (UTC) I can't think of where in Wikipedia that kind of problem might be discussed, but presumably not here. However, Wikipedia often to me seems more about what it is not than what it is. Oddly this is a problem I think it shares with the LDS Church--to a noteworthy extent, both are defined by what they avoid or disallow or kick people out for. Screwing and cigarettes and wine banned by one, primary sources and original thinking by the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.210.117 (talk) 06:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)  I wrote this comment while not signed in. Moabalan (talk) 06:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

The most likely way that "fundamental doctrine" is defined is by something the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has published to explain their core doctrines - the Articles of Faith. That's been used as the explanation of beliefs for LDS Church for over a hundred years.2602:304:B249:FC9:E56C:6346:F717:4B62 (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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