Talk:Academic grading in the United States

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C's will be passing the grade
No source is cited, and I can find no support for this section. ManchWonk 5 Jun 2017 —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I work in higher education and could not find anything either. Accordingly, I have deleted the section. If someone wants to put it back into Wikipedia, it must contain a reliable source.97.75.152.6 (talk) 12:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

A,B,C,D,E,F
I have a document from 1921 indicating a medical school in Missouri used A,B,C,D,E,F in that order as a grading scale. Is this an anomaly? This article doesn't describe the history of the letter grade system, is it possible it used to be 6 letters and from there split to 5 with E or F?Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 07:36, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * According to this article, it was: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/08/e_is_for_fail.htmlSheriffjt (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Paragraph Regarding Law School Grades
I think that paragraph needs to be rewritten. It implies that law schools are not academically rigorous, which is not the case at all. Most American law schools have a curve system, where very few students can receive an A or A-, with the majority of the class receiving grades between B+ through C+, and a fair number of students receiving Cs. Furthermore, students are ranked against one another. Whereas, in many graduate school there isn't a limit imposed on the number of high grades a professor can award, and the students are not ranked. Therefore, often a large percentage of the class receives high grades, which causes what was otherwise a decent grade, B-, becoming rare and a sign of poor quality work. One could argue that the law school curve system and student ranking, which prevents grade inflation, actually make students work harder and compete for top grades, and thus, for example, a B- in a law school class may represent higher quality work than a B+ in a master's course.

Regardless, the paragraph should be rewritten. Mavirikk (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

New York University
I am a student at NYU and I know that NYU does not award a 3.5 for both A- or B+ grades. An A- is a 3.7 while a B+ is a 3.3. The example given needs to be changed to include a college where the point values for an A- and a B+ are in fact identical.Avman89 (talk) 21:21, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

4.0 = 100?
The article says "4.0 which is equivalent to 100 on a 100-point grading scale". Doesn't a GPA of 4.0 mean an A average instead of 100? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:18, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There is a table in the "Grade Conversion" section that says any value from 90% to 100% is a 4.0. If we have p represent the grade percentage, and G(p) be the GPA for that percentage, G(90) = G(100); I am assuming that G(x) = 4.0 (exactly) for all x >= 90 and x <= 100. Qsimanelix (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. If the schools in the U.S. say that 80% to 89% is a B, and 90% to 100% is an A, then we simply need to multiply the percentage by 4.0 to determine the cut off or change over points.  So, A low B at exactly 80% is 80% of 4.0, which is 3.2.  A low A at exactly 90% of 4.0 is 3.6.  So, 3.6 to 4.0 is an A.  3.2 to 3.5 is a B.  Etc.  If our educators are doing this any other way, then they are not using math in a logical way. Alfranco584 (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 60% (low D) is a 2.4 70% (low C) is a 2.8.  80% (low B) is a 3.2.  90% (low A) is a 3.6.  100% (Perfect A) is 4.0.  The chart should use these numbers as the cut off for that table. Alfranco584 (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes 73.162.49.184 (talk) 05:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Someone vandalized the article:
This doesn't make sense, it says "The typical grades awarded wika wika by Jahari & C-; D+, D, & D-; and E and F." please ctrl f that, it surely a vandalization.

Grades and Knowledge
In today's school system kids are not measured by what they know but by how they do on testing. Testing may be the best means of measuring intelligence, but the exams are limited in themselves. When kids are not engaged they don’t preform well. Schools measure student knowledge with standardize testing and the A-F grading scale. Student knowledge should be measured with more tools than just exams. When measuring the knowledge that high school students have obtained during the a semester of learning a specific course, the grades should way more on, class interaction and discussions, group projects, individual projects, class work, homework and a small percentage on exams. The more a student is engaged in classroom the better the student outcome will be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephmgray (talk • contribs) 21:46, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Alternative approaches to academic grading
In this section "Researchers including Carol Dweck, Carole Ames, Ruth Butler, and John Nicholls suggest that students' focus on their achievement takes away from their actual learning" and "In all cases, the rationale is that grades alone do not provide a clear picture of academic aptitude or of potential for success and that learning, not achieving the highest score, should be the goal of a liberal education as is the case in graduate programs." are both uncited sentence that I'm going to remove if sources are found for these two sentences then they can be added back. In replacement I'm going to add my own sources which are supported by citations Buddy246 (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2018 (UTC)buddy246

Template spam
I've removed the warning template because it does not seem like there's anything so wrong that we need to give an orange warning to the reader. If you restore it, please explain what the problems are (specifically), why you can't fix them (eg it would take too much time), and why the problems are a hazard to the reader sufficient to require a warning. Jehochman Talk 20:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

69 is an F
I don't understand where this is coming from and the link it goes to suggest something totally different. The link suggest 0-59 is an F 60-69 is a D, 70-79 is a C, 80-89 is a B, and 90-100 is an A. That seems in line with what I remember from my education. In contrast the table in this article suggest 0-69 is an F, 70-73 is a D, 74-79 is a C and the scores for A and B seem accurate. --Twirdman (talk) 19:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2021
74.193.170.5 (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Ther ruhfuz,jkadskfjyrjjd
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pahunkat (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

No E? Why?
A few words or a paragraph on why there is no “E” in this grading system would be great. Are there historical reasons for that anomaly? If yes, of what nature are they? – Daniel FR (talk) 14:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)