Talk:Ace (military)

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"Ace, when used in military context, denotes a successful military professional."

What exactly is the source of this definition? If in Robertson, could we get a more precise page than the 26-page range? Thanks, Srnec (talk) 13:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I hate to be an ass, but if we're going to be awfully picky about explicit discussion of the concept of a submarine ace, then we can't just decide on our own that because we know the term is used to refer to fighter pilots, submariners and tank commanders it is a general concept. Srnec (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Red barron
Parking here as this looks like OR/SYNTH to me:


 * In particular, there are comparisons in Newspapers between World War I flying Ace Baron Von Richtofen known as "The Red Baron" and tank ace Michael Wittman, referred to as "The Black Baron".

Originally was in "Panzer ace" in popular culture.

K.e.coffman (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That looks like OR/SYNTH, but the first sentence does not? Srnec (talk) 03:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I remember when this came up on Wittman's bio article and as I said then: Google does not have anything of substance and this is what Google books shows: "The Black Baron: The Strange Life of Gilles de Rais". Not the same as the "Red Baron" moniker. Kierzek (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

"Infantry Aces"
I removed citation to Franz Kurowski as non RS. I will add some material from The Myth of the Eastern Front where this book is discussed. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It was there not so much for its contents, but to show the topic has received cultural\popular coverage (there are a few other such citations, including to movies/popular books, as a primary source of popular coverage). Your ref, if covering this in a secondary manner is much better. I will note that some of my editing here in the article as a whole was as a rough outline. While primary popular, cultural, human interest, and propaganda abound.... Secondary sources are harder to find here, partially since they are flooded out by thepopular primaries.Icewhiz (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, the name of "Infantry Aces" was generated by J.J. Fedorowicz; these books by Kurowski appeared in German under different names. I think Fedorowicz just took "Highly decorated soldiers" and converted that to "Aces". K.e.coffman (talk) 19:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I've looked and the source really does not really cover the concept of "aces" as defined by Kurowski; it was more of a discussion of the books. I've added them to "See also". K.e.coffman (talk) 22:08, 12 May 2017 (UTC)