Talk:Ace Attorney/Archive 1

Naming
Ever since Capcom officially retconned the series name, the Phoenix Wright series is called "Ace Attorney". This was likely to provide for Gyakuten Saiban 4's addition to the series, in which Phoenix is NOT the star. So, shouldn't this article be renamed as well? Just a thought... 69.208.222.148 19:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should wait untill the new character has a confirmed English name before we do that because Phoneix wright series will be the most common name until that happenes. --70.48.108.128 22:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just look at this photo and understand. http://court-records.net/Site%20Art/apollojusticftw.jpg. I am pretty sure it says "Ace Attorney Apollo Justice". --80.220.180.242 13:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree the series in the US is called Ace Attorney (and I have been flamed here for that before) Even the official website is www.ace-attorney.com Even a contest regarding Gyakuten Saiban 3 by Capcom USA is called Ace Attorney 3. http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showthread.php?t=12080

Article on the Phoenix Wright character
I think that because of the popularity of the series, plus the wide range of it (a manga, four original games, and two remakes) an article for the character Phoenix Wright wouldn't be out of the question. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Flash Parodies
Could I ask why the parodies are considered 'memecruft'? I personally think they're perfectly valid, judging by the number (and personally, one or two of them are kinda funny). - JousterL (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The utter lack of reliable sources which have ever seen fit to comment upon them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. My apologies. - JousterL (talk) 12:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Haruhi Suzumiya parody
This clip from that anime-http://www.youtube.com/v/2f7swNw-6Dc seems to be an obvious parody. The tapping of the evidence, the dramtic palm-slamming on the table, the dramatic closeup (with flashing background) during the big reveal, the "objection!" style pointing... someone even added Phoenix Wright bgm to enhance the effect in a fanvid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7s3_VDdfk). Thing is, I can't find anything on it, which effectively makes this orignal research. Does anyone know anything more on this, or have a source, or something of that nature? Onikage725 12:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, sure, it's an obvious parody. But get some more parodies, references etc. before making a "In other popular culture" section or something like that. There's another reference in the Disgaea 2 manga, to get you started.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ 16:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The Court System: "Rather Large Differences."
The article itself states that though the game's setting has changed from the Japanese "to the American court system, the laws and court practices remain different from American courts - it still models a Japanese court, despite some rather large differences."

What specifically are these "rather large differences"? Does the paragraph that follow this sentence explain differences between American and Japanese court systems, or the differences between the Japanese court system and the Gyakuten Saiban world's court system?

The Japanese court system is the original model, yes, but is the court system in the game anything at all like the Japanese court system? If so, what are the smiliarites and differences between the two?

I need a definite example, because the paragraph is quite confusing to me.

There is no clarification of either of the three models in this muddled paragraph. I easily picked out the unique factors of the game's court system (the three-day trials, and 15-year statute of limitations), but are there any other aspects of the court that are similar to Japanese courts?

This paragraph only explains the differences between, I presume, the game's court systems and the American court systems! In the spirit of the game series in question here, this paragraph is clearly faulty! I object to this flawed research!

To get started, here is a link to an in-site article on the Judicial System of Japan. I can't really think of anything else that could help, but I will attempt researching the Japanese court system in order to strighten out this paragraph.

On the other hand, does anyone else agree or disagree with me? It could just be a grammar issue... BrightSuzaku 20:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is that the section describes the game court system's similarities to the Japanese court system, without mentioning the differences, while simultaneously comparing it to the American court system, which is understandably confusing. Objection sustained!  Geoff B 22:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hold it! I have just found out that the article for Ace Attorney 1 is a little more specific. This paragraph is more concise than the series' page, but it also misses out the various comparisons I desired. However, I feel that this is okay, because it clarifies "what is what":
 * "Since this game is a courtroom drama, one might expect the differences in the Japanese and American legal systems to come into play. This is not entirely the case, however, as the game is set in 2016-17, allowing Capcom to improvise a little with the setting's legal customs. This does not change the fact that the courtroom is modeled after a Japanese court, not an American one."

I, however, still feel that the series page should be more in-depth. I also recently found an off-site page that focused on a new type of judicial system, known as the Saiban-in System or the "quasi-jury" system; and another page, that overviews the judicial system as a whole. The second page has links that outline a lot of areas of interest.

There is also more detailed link about the Saiban-in system within Wikipedia's own article, that leads to a PDF file. However, the PDF file is not a perfect replacement for the original Japanese text, I quote:
 * "The official version of the law is of course the one in Japanese, and this translation should be read only as an aid and supplement to the Japanese version

of the law."

I believe that it is now possible to write a clearer paragraph about this whole confusing ordeal. Hooray for "evidence". BrightSuzaku 12:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It might be worth mentioning that the introduction of trial by jury in the 4th game is meant to parallel ongoing "experimentation" with the jury system in Japan. Unlike in Phoenix Wright Japan's legal system has rather absurdly high conviction rates and Japan is considering switching to juries to mitigate this. Also the phrase "This is for dramatic exaggeration of the game and is not part of Japanese legal system." was hilarious. 69.244.89.213 (talk) 04:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Odoroki = Apollo Justice
I am not very familiar with Wikipedia so I don't really know how should I mark the source of this piece of news. It was, however, confirmed by Nintendo of France, that there will be game called Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice, as far as my pal can read French. I will post the link as soon as I find it. --80.220.180.242 19:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggest rename to Ace Attorney (series)
I suggest renaming this article to "Ace Attorney (series)" instead of the present "Ace Attorney"; while there's no name conflict, this is more standard practice i WP:CVG to give the series name the ending of (series) to indicate it as such. --Masem 19:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it is "standard practice". On the contrary, there are precedents such as Final Fantasy that don't use the (series) ending (and even though Final Fantasy (disambiguation) exists). In Ace Attorney's case, it's even more clearcut: there's nothing to disambiguate with, so let's keep it simple and omit the (series) ending. Kariteh 20:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Also looking more closely it appears in the cases where series is used happens when the series title is the same as the original game in the series or there are other articles that use the same name. Neither of these is the case here. Ace Attorney (the former subtitle) became the main focual point due to the fact that the 4th game had a new main character Differenting the main series name from the first game Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. In short since the original game is not called Ace Attorney and, the addition of a new main character means that using Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (series) would not work either we don't need to do this move. Also since as mentioned eariler no other articles are called Ace Attorney, using (series) is simply not needed in this case. --65.95.17.151 23:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

on "Court-Records.net" in EL
(First off, I have no affiliation with court-records.net, eg there's no conflict of interest here.)

I know that generally, most fansites fail WP:EL criteria, but if you look at the talk page for that, it's not that all fan sites are banned, but that they have to meet the requirements for EL. Most easily fail, but I don't believe C-R.net does.

Under the criteria for "What to Link", C-R.net provides: "What Should be Links"
 * Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.   (this is very appropriate for C-R.net)

"Links to be Considered" Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources.

And for the areas where C-R.net may be considered a problem, in Links to Avoid C-R.net is not a personal website at this point; it has several people working on it, and has, in the AA community, known as the authority for the information
 * 1) Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article.  There's a lot on that site that we will likely be cutting out due to WP:FICT like all the minor characters, which this site has.  Thus, it is providing content that would not be in WP that is appropriate for the article.
 * 2) Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority.

Again, the WP:EL criteria doesn't flat out ban fansites, but they have to be considered carefully. C-R.net is appropriate and passed WP:EL as I see it. --Masem 16:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Manga announcement
The reference link referring to an American release of the Phoenix Wright manga series needs to be changed; it doesn't point to a specific article; just the front page of the Anime News Network.--MythicFox 11:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

New reference
There is an interview at Multiplayer MTV with Minae Matsukawa, Capcom producer. It is pretty interesting and can give some extra information to this article. -- ReyBrujo 01:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Capcom's stance on Case Maker programs
Has Capcom ever made a statement as to their stance on Case Maker programs? I suppose they're technically illegal, since music and ripped sprites are used, but I've never seen any case maker videos deleted due to copyright claims, and Court Records was the original source of Case Maker, and that's linked on this page. So...any official word? ShiroKaisen 05:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that I am aware of. I a sure that somone on Court Records would have mentioned someting if Capcom stated there stance since news travels fast on the internet. --207.236.151.102 (talk) 18:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Its probably the same as Mugen, to them its just Fanart75.110.134.91 (talk) 05:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

"Perfect Prosecutor"
Details taken from a NeoGAF thread (obviously meaning it could be fake, although the person who reported it is the one who reports on the Japanese weekly news)...

Perfect Prosecutor (DS/Capcom/??)
 * A law adventure game where you act as the prosecutor.
 * Main characters are Miles Edgeworth, Dick Gumshoe
 * You control Edgeworth, searching for overlooked evidence and inconsistencies at the crime scene.
 * New search and deduction systems are introduced.

So, whenever we get a better source, we ought to create an article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

-This information is unsubstantiated at this time. Please remove the information until it is confirmed by either Capcom or Famitsu. - YuushaFan (talk) 8:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the NeoGAF is pointing to Famitsu, which is reliable. There are scans of said pages so...unlikely a hoax. --M ASEM 13:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The information is correct, but there has been no English name for the game yet (obviously). Until then, it's still Gyakuten Kenji...*kaburicho (talk) 18:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That I agree with (the name is translated by sources of questionable reliability), though I have made sure that Perfect Prosecutor redirects here for the time being). --M ASEM 18:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a Japanese website for the game now, but as I see no additional links off the opening animation, I think it's mostly a "coming soon" announcement. Still not enough for an article or to include this in this article. --M ASEM  13:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The creator of the series?
Kind of like how Final Fantasy's Wikipage says:

Final Fantasy (ファイナルファンタジー, Fainaru Fantajī?) is a media franchise created by Hironobu Sakaguchi and owned by Square Enix that includes video games, motion pictures, and other merchandise.

Should a similar passage be used for the Ace Attorney series? Something like:

Ace Attorney is a video game series created by Takumi.

Also, I notice there is not an entry on Wikipedia that talks about the series creator, Takumi (巧舟). The Takumi article on the English Wikipedia is that of another company, not the creator's name. Will someone be able to make one? --Yottamol (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if we made an article, we'd probably do the logical thing and name it for his full name, Shu Takumi.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 17:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

What to do about the promontal CD for 'Gyakuten Saiban Orchestra Concert 2008'
What should we do about noting the content of this disc? Its songs are different then the ones on the Gyakuten Saiban Orchestra Concert 2008 disc (Though one is similar), and I don't think we should simple ignore the CD, since it was the first album put out with vocal songs, but it only has 2 Songs on it. Should we just tag it on to the article for the Gyakuten Saiban Orchestra Concert 2008 CD?

Also, what do we do when the DVD to that concert comes out? Should it also be part of that article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkirby (talk • contribs) 04:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC) October 30th, the date is in the article.

The next Concert is coming with a promo disk to, so maybe we will just group them together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkirby (talk • contribs) 07:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I edited the Setting information to remove the spoiler...
... The final paragraph said what happened to Phoenix and why he is no longer a defense attorney. Having not yet finished Trials and Trib... This came as a HUGE spoiler for me.

72.141.37.5 (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * WP does not hide spoilers. --M ASEM 01:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Uhhh... that wasn't Trials & Tribulations...  --  Super Shy Guy Bros.   Not shy?  19:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether it's in T&T or Apollo Justice, the obvious implication is that he hasn't played to the point of Wright's disbarment in the series.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 20:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to pick at this, but his disbarment was advertised in AJAA, though it shouldn't have been there. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)