Talk:Achilles Last Stand/Archive 1

Untitled
I took out a ton of stuff that was already in the article. --75.73.153.252 03:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Apostrophe
What prompted the changing of this article's name? On the back cover of Presence there is no apostrophe Of course is a very minor issue but I think the title should be reverted back. IrisKawling 22:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

ONLY heavy metal
Okay, every "harder" Led Zepp song has hard rock beside heavy metal at the genres... I've listened to their entire catalogue and without a doubt, studio or live, explosive drumming, thundering bass, army of guitar overdubs, wailing/screaming (ect) vocals, this is one of their heaviest songs... this should only be heavy metal... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehsomething (talk • contribs) 03:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Genre : Heavy metal?
Heavy metal, and add Classic rock 174.3.214.24 (talk) 00:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Speed metal
This song is speed metal. I don't see why it couldn't be. This is pretty fast for an LZ song. I want your opinions on whether speed metal should be mentioned or not. FMAFan1990 (talk) 22:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that supposed to be a serious post? A fast hard rock song is not speed metal. It's just a fast hard rock song. You will never find a cite that passes WP:RS to would support that nonsense. Fair Deal (talk) 22:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The song is heavy metal, like "Immigrant Song", is very fast and has progressive explosion of the battery of John.--Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ALS is an agressive/ fast hard rock number. Scieberking (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Zeppelin are not metal; fuckin' get off it already.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  00:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice one Radio! ;-) Scieberking (talk) 10:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Cosmic Chords for Piano or Guitar
Does anyone know any piano chords for Hombre Triste by Bruce Dickinson? What Key is it in possiblly A-minor Ionian mode or tonality.

Bruce if you get this have you heard any Autom Sounds or the sounds of Spain? What does it sound like digitally?

Check this out, The Killing Words Intro, Omega 3rd part, Building a Mystery by Sarah McLauglin intro, Dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver dan (talk • contribs) 11:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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File:Led Zeppelin Achilles Last Stand.ogg Nominated for speedy Deletion

 * I've done some fixes. Hope it has now enough licensing information. Scieberking (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Blank space before blockquote
After "lyrics:" (second paragraph in the Background section) there is a large blank space before the quoted text. In an unpublished edit I changed the wiki markup from

"..." to "..." and the blank space disappeared. I did not actually make such a change in the wiki markup because there might be a reason to keep it as is (that I don't know about).

Would changing the wiki markup to blockquote format work, or should we keep it as is?

Note: I realize that the appearance of web pages often differs between devices, operating systems, and browsers. The blank space I reference appeared when I was on a Windows 10 desktop using the Chrome browser (both updated regularly). Since this is a relatively common configuration, I believe the "blank space" merits discussion. - Mark D Worthen PsyD  (talk)  (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 07:02, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I try not to use clear because of different screen sizes, fonts, etc., but when I added the quote (isn't quote just an easier form of ?), it aligned with the preceding paragraph and left a large space to the left (beneath the Achilles image). So I added clear. I experimented some more without clear (using both quote & blockquote) and by changing the page width by a hair, the space disappears. So I'll go with whatever the standard practice is on this, with the goal of eliminating as much unneeded space as possible. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * This may be moot with the text recently added to the paragraph. I removed clear and it's OK. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand copyedit
[Copied from User talk:Ojorojo with pings removed]

Thank you very much for your improvements. I notice that two points by were not covered ("'travels' needs explication' and "'different interwoven sections' could be improved by describing two sections that are interwoven"). For a rather short article, I felt that this was too much detail for the lead (and for the music, maybe too technical). Any suggestions? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. FWIW, I agree that a lot of detail isn't required in the lead. I believe that you mentioned their travel destinations, and I think I removed "different" from "different interwoven sections" as redundant. Unlike FAs (which are promoted by committee), GAs are assessed by one editor. Good luck and all the best,  Mini  apolis  16:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (i) I also appreciate your work on the article Miniapolis . :-) (ii) I changed "travels" to "exposure to diverse cultures and musical traditions during their travels" (diff). (iii) I personally do not understand what "interwoven sections" means, but I don't think it's a big deal, particularly since both of you believe the current text suffices. (iv) I experimented with a couple of edits to improve the layout (blank space after the long quote). It looks good to me on my PC and iPhone 6S. My PC is a Windows 10 desktop using Chrome (Version 75.0.3770.100 (Official Build) (64-bit)). I also used a free online tool to see how it looks on other browsers. Best I can tell, it renders well on Firefox, Safari, Opera, and older versions of Chrome. But free online tools can only do so much, thus the results are limited. (v) I support submitting the article for a GA Review as I personally believe it passes muster. But, as y'all know, another editor will make the call. (Not that a "fail" cannot be "appealed".)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)  (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 17:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the improvements, Mark, and I agree (FWIW) that it's a GA. "Interwoven sections" is slightly vague, but as a longtime copyeditor I've developed pretty good filters for puffery and woo and it didn't trip either one . All the best,  Mini  apolis  18:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also thanks and for checking it out on different devices (maybe this should be standard for reviews). I'm going to copy this discussion to the talk page and hopefully it will help move things along. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

B-class for WP:SONGS
I noticed that WikiProject Songs had the article rated C-class on the project's quality scale. I reviewed the B-class criteria, just to make sure (triple-check!), and then added the appropriate WP:SONGS template with the B-class criteria checked off. - Mark D Worthen PsyD  (talk)  (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 05:42, 29 June 2019 (UTC)