Talk:Acid Bath

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I think that deadboy & the Elephantmen should get it's own article. If an article is "important" according to the above (of course, this may be controversial, and can be discussed on the article's talk page, using this policy as a guideline), it should not be deleted on the basis of it being: insufficiently important, famous or relevant, or currently small or a stub. Xpendersx 23:38, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandal?
Given the other contributions by this IP address, I suspect these edits are vandalism. But I don't know. -- RHaworth 10:15, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Agents of Oblivion
Why is there a seperate page for Deadboy and the Elephantmen and a redirect for Agents of Oblivion? If Agents of Oblivion is going to redirect to this page, there needs to be some information about them on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.147.135.2 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 14 December 2006

Page protection
I've protected this page from editing for five days. The protection isn't an endorsement of either version, just a call for the editors here to defend their preferred versions with references. Please see the site's verifiability, reliable sources, and citation pages. I'd like to resolve this dispute without using any more of my sysop tools, but bear in mind that edit warring is a justifiable reason for user editing blocks. It shouldn't be too hard to look up some CD liners and magazines. Best wishes improving the article. Durova Charge! 08:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. one of the users was blocked also since he was removing the info for no apparent reason... so now i think only a few more to get rid of and this article can actually get back to my version, which uses info found on the record label page (which for some reason the users try to remove...???) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HDS (talk • contribs) 11:55, 14 May 2007
 * there is no rotten records page so i see no sense to link it    and the line up for the band is the correct lineup cause boon was never in acid bath — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammysatan (talk • contribs) 23:38, May 14, 2007
 * There are no links to many other record labels. There are also no links to most of the demos or members. should we remove them as well? your explanation is not valid enough for wikipedia, which consists of all past and related information of the band. it is to be a complete retrospect of the band. If you want to get technical Acid Bath was never on any other record labels other than Rotten, as nuclear blast only distributed the album further, not released it. It is therefore the sole record label to have released Acid Bath stuff, regardless of your opinion on how they treated the band, or what they have done. You can state the facts in a trivia section, but you cannot change the bands history to your own views, to accommodate your vision of how it should have been. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HDS (talk • contribs) 02:36, 15 May 2007
 * ron peterson of rotten tried to put the band in jail cause they wanted to see the record sales by trying to set them up amd their will be band member pages up soon  ill make sure of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammysatan (talk • contribs) 10:29, 15 May 2007
 * well there you go. you have said it yourself that the band was on the label (if the cd releases were not obvious enough). so the label belongs on the bands page. your information about the label belongs in a Trivia section. You cannot make the bands history your own views... but you can state the facts on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HDS (talk • contribs) 11:52, 15 May 2007
 * i know the band history i was there from the beginning   they are not from kenner  boon was never in acid bath  and  they are all former members    and there are no current ones — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammysatan (talk • contribs) 22:15, 15 May 2007

Grindcore?
How can a band be doom metal and grindcore? They are essentially polar opposites. Mezmerizer 19:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * People definitely need to chill with music genres. I'd argue that Acid Bath is probably neither a doom metal nor a grindcore band. They're sort of a genre transcending band, which is more than likely why we're still talking about them 11 years after their last album came out. Kgppra17 11:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * i agree... i don't personally see them as either, but especially not grindcore. i can understand the sludge metal or doom metal classification, but they are DEFINITELY NOT grindcore.  personally, i'd say heavy metal is the only genre that accurately applies... they incorporate qualities of many different types of metal, but if we have to classify them specifically, i'd say sludge metal and stoner metal.  I'll remove the grindcore classification, because it is highly inacurate, if anyone has a problem with this, i apologise. - AeturnalNarcosis 16:49, 13 Aug. 2007
 * they definitely have some grindcore riffing sometimes. that was part of how they pulled off the tempo changes... meander in the slow bluesy sludge stuff, then break into hyper grind chromatic stuff. the fast part of toubabo koomi where the drums drop and he sings "i slept the last mile..." definitely has a grindcore sound to it. 128.59.34.109 (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Locust Spawning" is definitely a grindcore song. 72.240.82.155 (talk) 23:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Musical legacy part
"Acid Bath are best known for blending extreme, grindcore-influenced sludge metal with a mixture of death metal growls and melancholic goth/grunge-style vocals and acoustic guitar passages, as well as use of sampling and the spoken word." This is too convoluted. Any ideas on how to fix that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kgppra17 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 22 August 2007


 * Do they really have growls in any of their songs? To be honest I haven't heard much of them, but none of the songs I heard have growls. I could be wrong though. Doppelganger 02:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * They don't really growl, no, certainly not death metal style. The vocals tend to veer more between a industrial (see Godflesh and Ministry) harsh type and a more melodic sludge/alternative type. Prophaniti (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Dr. Seuss is Dead and Jezabel would disagree with you. That's what's so tough about this band. They are completely genre defying, and they have such a varied toolbox in only two albums. It's tough to say what they do and don't do, because there is such a small sample of work, and they tend to do just about anything throughout. 76.189.230.210 (talk) 03:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I hate to reply to an old topic, but they do have some "death growls". but I don't think I've heard them use it for an entire song. Just in small portions. So, I think that part still stands.TheElderFox (talk) 18:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Genre
I've added "Extreme metal" to the genre section, just because that's a nice vague one I think everyone can agree on, as per Strapping Young Lad. As for what they are, the band generally defies catagorisation. They really don't fit into anything. Listening to it, you can hear sludge, doom, death, industrial. Any of those could find a place in describing them. Prophaniti (talk) 17:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sludge is both a type of doom and extreme metal, so these tags are not needed. And while the band may have influence from differnet types of music, They consistanly fit the bill for sludge. 66.222.233.178 (talk) 04:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * True, but bear in the mind that the genre section doesn't say "This band is this genre, and this genre". It is a summary of their overall style. Many bands do not fit into one genre conveniently. Acid Bath fit best into the sludge metal genre, so that is the best thing for their lead. But their music also has strong doom and extreme metal sides to it, so they would be worthy of inclusion. It is not saying "Acid Bath are a doom metal" band. That's what the lead line is for. Instead, it simply says "Acid Bath are in part doom metal". And to be fair, Sludge isn't a form of extreme metal. Some of it comes under that heading, but it's not overall considered an extreme metal subgenre, as death or black or thrash metal are. Prophaniti (talk) 17:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the extreme metal page it is. It even has a source stating that it is a type of extreme metal 66.222.239.4 (talk) 05:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it's listed as a fusion genre, so even then it's only partially the case. I'm not enormously fussed, I just don't feel sludge on it's own truly covers Acid Bath's sound. Songs like Finger Paintings of the Insane, Jezabel or Cassie Eats Cockroaches go beyond the usual bounds of sludge and bear traits (albeit minor) of more straight-up extreme metal genres like thrash, early black or death metal. Prophaniti (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to mention the guitar riffing in the song Cassie Eats Cockroaches sounds very groove metal-oriented. The processed vocals also give it an industrial feel. Think about what I said and then listen to it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.112.36 (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They do indeed. Acid Bath has many influences from all over the place. Maybe a scan over any available sources to properly determine genre classification is in order? Prophaniti (talk) 20:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm not a wikipedia contributor. If you want to create a subsection in this article dedicated to describing the bands sound, there is enough information on the web to do so. Considering the fact that they only released two official albums, this article will never be as long as the Opeth article. The Opeth, Lamb of God, Cradle of Filth, Celtic Frost, etc. articles all have a subsection dedicated to describing their own unique styles. The Acid Bath article has something similar to this. Like the Opeth article, someone can add audio samples and excerpts as examples from the article. This section does not have to be limited to arguing over the band's genre. It can list what bands influenced them. According to Allmusic, A.B. was also influenced by
 * Steve Albini
 * Throbbing Gristle
 * Pigface
 * Down
 * These can be added to the other list of musicians that influenced them. The Abominable Iron Sloth was influenced by Acid Bath, and I read somewhere Slipknot was influenced by them. Perhaps someone can locate the slipknot source. The Abominable Iron Sloth citation is Allmusic. Dax Riggs sings with a melodic croon (allmusic). He sometimes experiments with falsettos and what I think is a Trill (music). I am not sure if "trill" is the correct term. I may be confusing it with mordent or tremolo. Maybe someone else knows. Links that mention different genres AB wxperimented with include
 * http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=ACID|BATH&sql=11:gxfyxqe5ldfe~T1
 * http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:aifixqwhldse~T1
 * http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:avfpxqlhldfe~T1


 * Encyclopedia Metallum has excellent reviews submitted describing what techniques and styles AB used. Go here:
 * http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=65
 * http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=67
 * http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=7217 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.112.36 (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Metallum does have some good reviews, but unfortunately it's not accepted as a source here because they are user-submitted reviews. All I'm suggesting I may do is go over any available sources and include those in the article, making the infobox reflect overall source consensus, whatever that may be. Prophaniti (talk) 08:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

About the Band
This section of the article is totally useless and poorly written. Dax never cared for bands such as Acid Bath? Um... OK. Can we delete this section? Not only is it composed poorly, but the info seems to have been made up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.45.45 (talk) 12:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That section was poorly written. I stumbled on it once when visiting the article, and from there, I tried rewording a few things here and there and expanding the newly added section. In a sense, I seem to agree with Its original author, who seems to hint in the paragraph that Audie Pitre was, in fact, the main glue of the band. 72.240.82.155 (talk) 15:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Should I add this?
Recently, some of the members(Of the band) have been considering starting an Acid bath tribute band. I have links about it but I don't know if it's important enough to put on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheElderFox (talk • contribs) 18:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to add it anyway and if you disagree just tell me and we can discuss it. TheElderFox (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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