Talk:Acid jazz/Archives/2015

A Tribe Called Quest?
Seriously, we're saying ATCQ is Acid Jazz? Based on what? Seriously? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.49.107 (talk) 01:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
What I want to know is how it's possible that any article or write up about Acid Jazz doesn't include any mention of Roy Ayers?! All these other artists that are mention in this article I bet would coin Roy Ayers as the beginning of Acid Jazz...he was the main influence, and is the Godfather of Acid Jazz.

Is it proper to just copy and paste text from other sources?
I think it's incredibly cheap. Besides, at the moment the article still doesnt read as a wikipedia article.--Deadworm222 19:31, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Record Label
Did the name come from the record label "Acid Jazz"? --Robert Merkel 23:45 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * It might have done. I wrote the initial information to back up another article I was working but wouldn't class myself an expert (although I like a lot of the music that I think could be described as belonging to this genre). If you, or someone else, can find the answer, please add it into the article. Basswulf 09:02 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)
 * I believe the genre was named after record label, as it was the first label to issue acid jazz records ever. Netrat_msk (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

From Acid-jazz
Here's some info I copied from the page Acid jazz before redirecting, please merge in as you see fit, I'm no expert in this genre


 * Acid jazz is a musical movement started in the nineties. The roots of that genre are funk, disco, seventies music in general, soul but every group added his own flavour. In europe the movement started from london and it's known more as brit-funk. Relevant groups are: Jamiroquai, Incognito, Galliano, Brand New Heavies, James Taylor Quartet, Corduroy. In the USA the jazzy moods were more important, the major us acid-jazz groups are: Groove Collective, Solsonics.

&mdash;siro&chi;o 09:38, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * Merge done. --Lexor|Talk 07:08, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Whose idea was it to copy & paste that darn text straight from this acid jazz compilation booklet? it isn't even formatted... And why is Jamiroquai not mentioned? (the biggest selling acid jazz band. yes, i know; nowadays it's rather disco-funk-soul)

dont get me wrong! i would do the article but my english is not that good and so is my knowledge of acid jazz although i love it. this article needs some serious revision.
 * I'm going to revert.--Deadworm222 21:33, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I think we need two articles; "Acid Jazz (record label)" and "Acid Jazz (musical genre)" aong with a disambiguation page. Not all Acid Jazz record releases are in the style known as acid-jazz and as have seen, not all acid-jazz artistes are signed to Acid Jazz. Butterfingersbeck January 22, 2006


 * I created Acid Jazz (label) and put a notice on the top of the page.--Wormsie 12:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Acid Jazz & Acid Rock
Do acid jazz and Acid Rock have anything in common? Does acid jazz put any importance on drugs such as LSD? Reynolds45 11:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC) By all accounts no (acid house however, is quite likely to refer to the "trippy" sounds found therein). Though he needed to somehow compare this music to house to get press attention in 1988 and 1989, Gilles Peterson simply wanted the controversy the name would cause and he knew the name would get enough attention to get the controversy going in the first place, he's really quite brilliant and knew it was a load of bullocks (the name) but he loves the music and knew if some good ears heard it, they'd buy it. He was quite right and as I said a BRILLIANT "geurilla marketer".

Acid Jazz Record Label is ignored!!
The main reason that the term "Acid Jazz" came to prominence was because there was a record label of this name - I was around at the time and Acid Jazz was initially, not descriptive of the genre, but rather a loose group of like-minded artists (around London) who appeared on the Acid Jazz record label!!

Gilles Peterson chose to label the genre first and the label second. He further incouraged the press to use the term, thereby weakening his trademark and watering down any contributions stemming from the label. But it is readily apparent that the label drew it's talent from a pool that had an established reputation before any such naming was used, so it really is totally irrelevant and the term "Rare Groove" would best serve all them.
 * Acid Jazz Records Netrat (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

What about house music?
Acid Jazz of the 1990s drew heavily upon house music, successfully fusing jazz and house. But, the term originated in the late 1970s and was used to describe artists like Roy Ayers who were taking the fusion of jazz and funk to new heights.

Modal harmony
What is Modal harmony (as found in the beginning of the article)? --Abdull 12:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

See Modulation

Changes/rewrite
This article needs some attention:
 * Style: more encyclopedic
 * References: correctly formatted, with correct sources
 * Tone: needs evening out too many discrepencies: "upon listening" and "legends running"

Please discuss how this article can be improved to bring it up to standard. Escaper7 10:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Origins of the term Acid jazz
I've removed the counter claim that it was Alan Pelz-Sharpe who coined the term Acid jazz for the following reasons: If anyone knows different (and can cite their sources) please feel to revert. Regards Escaper7 08:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The reference is from a blog, and a self published one at that - I could just as easily claim that I coined the term in an online blog.
 * The direct quote I have added is from Gilles Peterson's BBC Radio 1 biography - it seems to offer a more adequate explanation
 * Alan Pelz-Sharpe may lack notability - he's a former jazz pianist who is now a document manager
 * Nowehere in his blog does Pelz-Sharpe say when he coined the term or the name of the TV programme he was working on
 * I've made a search (from a newspaper database not Google) and his name only appears in minor trade magazines that relate to document management and business - and then the oldest is only from 2000. Strange that he's never mentioned his claim to have coined the term in any publication in which he's ever been quoted.  In any case, there's no copy on him prior to 2000.

Ouch! Well I am Alan Pelz-Sharpe, and no need to put the reference back as it is not important to me. As you note my career has gone in a completely different direction. However... just for the record my claim is based on work I did with Gilles Peterson for Focus Production - a proposed TV show (Channel 4 and NHK co-production) called The Deeper Groove (Gilles was to be the presenter). Like many shows it never made the light of day - sadly. The term was coined one morning in a recording studio in Soho when we met to record an audio promo for the show. Most importantly though, this conversation and the term in general pre-dated the record label. Gilles probably should take full credit, it is he who took the term and popularized it, not me :-) By the way I have never played a piano (or any other musical instrument in my life - would have been cool though! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanps (talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

"Excessive quotation marks"
"I" would just "like" to point out the "excessive" use of "quotation marks" in the introduction to this "article." Seriously, quotation marks lose their meaning when used too excessively. The only place in the intro where I see quotation marks as being necessary is in the phrase "rare groove crate diggers". If you are citing another source, use a citation unless you are quoting something longer than a single word. Just trying to make your article better, BTW. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.86.181.2 (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

As a continuation (and a slight tangent) this "quote" also "suffers" from "excessive quotation marks" and "shoddy grammatical skills":


 * The acid jazz "movement" is also seen as a "revival" of jazz-funk or jazz fusion or soul jazz by leading DJs such as Norman Jay or Gilles Peterson or Patrick Forge, also known as "rare groove crate diggers".

Comments? Red dwarf (talk) 21:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't know how many people are still paying attention to this thread...But my pops - a founder of DiMarzio Pickups - said that some people used to call fusion "acid jazz". I don't have any references, but my pops knows a good deal of the era. I know it's a loaded thing to say considering the source, but I remember having a discussion about the acid jazz term back in the early 90s when I was in high school. No one else seemed to know this, so I expect no one will be inclined to take this into consideration, but I think someone should look into this. I would, but my time is limited. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.248.242 (talk) 06:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

List of artists is inaccurate
A whole lot of the artists listed under the Key Artists heading are not acid jazz acts. Tosca for example could fall under trip hop, electronica, or downtempo, but not acid jazz. And De La Soul is a straight hip hop group. This list is way, way off. Probally, a full two thirds of the list shouldn't be on here. And other groups like Red Snapper who clearly fall into the genre aren't listed. My suggestion would be to cross check these artists against the allmusic guide, its classifications are usually dead on. Just a heads up for you guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.240.179 (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree. List has tons of jazz rap (ATCQ, De La Soul and GangStarr), trip-hop and funk acts that has nothing to do this acid jazz! They perform is related styles, but definitly not acid jazz. I'm going to clean up the list. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed some, still have to check and remove many others though. I love jazz rap and nu funk most of all genres, maybe even better than acid jazz, but they don't belong here. This list is crazy! Stealy Dan? The Crystal Method?? You gotta be kidding! Who on Earth could add them here? Netrat_msk (talk) 01:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Brand New Heavies in international context.
Brand New Heavies cited as a US band in section "Acid jazz in the international context" they were formed and are based in London. The article does not say "from" with reference to the US but "notable in". The other countries listed, Japan and UK, both say "from". This is confusing and leads the reader to believe that this is a band from the USA, which it is not. This needs clarification, but if the Brand New Heavies are particularly notable in the Acid Jazz scene in the USA then technically the wording is correct, if misleading.

79.67.120.87 (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Acid jazz VS Acid Jazz
Why the name of this article is "Acid jazz" and not "Acid Jazz"? Netrat_msk (talk) 09:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * From my experience, music genres typically aren't capitalized. "Acid Jazz" might be a page reserved for some kind of media about the genre. For example, if Gilles Peterson wrote a book entitled "Acid Jazz," the capitalization would be necessary.SweetNightmares (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Mainstream popularity?
How is this measured? I propose removal of this part of the info box, as it is unimportant and immeasurable.SweetNightmares (talk) 23:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Mainstream popularity entry does not mean genre is supposed to have one. It should indicate the level of such popularity, like low, medium or high and corresponding years. So removing it would be wrong. And anyway, acid jazz did have some mainstream popularity. Tracks by US3, Freakpower, Jamiroquai, Brand New Heavies etc. did become hits. Netrat_msk (talk) 23:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but my argument is that since this information obviously wasn't scientifically measured, it should be taken off. How does one measure popularity? It's relative!SweetNightmares (talk) 01:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow all articles on music genres do have such information. The field is included into music genere template. Some template authors who are most probably are core contributors of WikiProject Music, thought it is not a problem. You should ask you question at Music Portal. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Club jazz (originally "75.44.35.136's edits")
Most 75.44.35.136's edits were OK, except "club jazz" name, as blogs are not reliable sources. Netrat (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. Is "club jazz" much used as a synonym for "acid jazz"? 75.44.35.136 (talk) 16:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hardly. Netrat (talk) 12:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Removing redlinks
John, please stop removing red links from artists lists. The purpose of key and notable artists list is - surprisingly - providing the lists of such artists. Not providing links to other Wikipedia articles, but a list of acts. The list would be OK even if none of these artists would have a Wikipedia articles. It is true that some articles are absent, but not because these artists are not notable, but rather because Wikipedia is work in progress. In fact, D*Note, D'Influence, Mother Earth and Mr. Scruff are one of the most notable artists in the genre as a whole. Netrat (talk) 23:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

"acid jazz" equals "acid rock" fused with jazz (acid jazz rock fusion)
During the 1970s I was playing with many West Coast acid rockers turned jazz players who all called what we played "acid jazz" It's because we had been playing "acid rock", but started playing jazz with the same LSD styled influence.

I quite specifically remember someone asking me if we were playing "acid rock" and I replied, "No, this is 'acid jazz!' I know many players in the L.A., Santa Cruz, and Mt. Shasta area who all refered to the style of music combining "acid rock" with jazz as "acid jazz"

The jazz and rock musicians we were being influenced by were: John Coltrane (A Love Supreme), Carlos Santana, Chick Corea, Flora Purim, Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd. ACID JAZZ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.181.9 (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Complete re-write
My sincere apologies to the contributors who have spent their time and effort writing this article for what I am about to suggest. First my credentials: I got into acid jazz around 1991, having been into various associated genres. Between 1992 and 1997 I did a huge amount of clubbing and went to countless gigs that would fall under the acid jazz umbrella. I collected 2000 records, old and new, again covering every angle of the scene. That collection (and a lot more) is still in daily use and my collection of records between 1993 and 1995 in particular is a comprehensive archive of acid jazz. I have virtually every Acid Jazz Records release from Jazzid 1 to Jazzid 134. I worked at Acid Jazz Records for 18 months, 1994 and 1995. I dj'd regularly in London, Bristol Nottingham and many other towns and cities in Britain and was a part of the 'Magic Bus' acid jazz dj collective. I contributed to Acid Jazz News as well as various fanzines. I still have a collection of magazines such as Straight No chaser, The Ticket, On the One and ID which I can reference as well as record sleeves - in particular the excellent notes on the Acid Jazz and Other Illicit Grooves releases and the BGP Acid Jazz series. I have read Snowboy's meticulously researched book Hard Bop and Fusion to Acid Jazz and consider it definitive in its factual content as a valuable source of reference.(It contains debatable opinion on the effect of the acid jazz tag). I propose a radical overhaul of the Acid Jazz Wikipedia page including: 1. defining acid jazz not as a specific genre but an umbrella term. In particular, I want to clear up the misconception that it's primarily concerned with samples, looped beats etc. 2. clearing up some confusion by making the distinction between the acid jazz genre and Acid Jazz Records more obvious and improving the Acid Jazz Records page. 3. removing opinion eg the bit about the scene being in two halves. This won't happen overnight as I need to think it through carefully and get my head round the nuts and bolts of Wikipedia.

Any comments? Ullscarf (talk) 23:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * As I've said in reply to you on the Help desk, this is welcome, but make sure you cite references. Removing opinion is always a good idea, unless it is cited to a reliable source; but equally, please don't introduce any definitions unless you can cite them to reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Acid Jazz is Actually Jazz
Coming from the Jazz community, my understanding of Acid Jazz was the jazz and jazz fusion sounds stemming from actual hypnotic or groove based Jazz. For a great example of this perspective, check out the album "Talkin' Verve : The Roots of Acid Jazz." A lot of people in the jazz circle understand Acid Jazz by this definition, and yet there is no mention of the artists on the aforementioned album eg: Wes Montgomery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.7.162 (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)