Talk:Acjachemen

Comment
I just did a little bit of copy editing. I broke the really long paragraphs into smaller bits and I closed the parenthesis after the description of the middle class. I would dearly love to fix the parenthetical statement about the upper class but I am not certain what was meant by it.

I also have a problem with the wording of the first sentence of the last paragraph but, again, I am not certain what was meant. "Relatively much is known . . .": relative to what?

With a little bit of additional information this could become a very important article. I am curious (as an anglo who is a native Californian, who was raised in LA County and who lives in central Orange County) if the Juaneños had dealings with the Gabrieleños, for example.

JimCubb 03:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "...sites along the Santa Ana River afforded pivotal political exchange and social interaction between the Gabrieliño and Juaneño...based on Mission marriage records, the villages along the Santa Ana River apparently consisted of multi-ethnic populations..." Reference: Earl, David D., and Stephen O’Neil (1994). Newport Coast Archaeological Project: An Ethnohistoric Analysis of population, Settlement, and Social Organization in Coastal Orange County at the End of the Late Prehistoric Period. Mdhennessey 04:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Could the above information be incorporated into the article and the Gabriliño article? It has already been established in the article and elsewhere that the Juaneño language was closely related to that of the Luiseños. Is there evidence of a relationship between the languages of the Juaneños and the Gabriliños?

Could further relationships be documented and added for the groups who were in the Huntington Beach / Long Beach area? I see a possibility for several Masters' theses here as well as some important articles. JimCubb 23:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The El Toro Air Base handover controversy
In 1999, the El Toro US Marine Air Corps Base near Irvine, California has officially closed, and the very land was a point of controversial debate in Orange County politics when an unorganized tribe of Native Americans known as the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians demanded the air base given "back" to them. According to the tribe based in Silverado Canyon, a few miles north of Mission Viejo, California, the El Toro Air Base was acquired by the US government as the former Indian rancheria (Reservation) went extinct in the 1930's and sold the land for money for the former tribe to live on. Today, the tribe sought to take the action to the California state and US supreme courts (the 9th circuit in San Francisco). I didn't hear any developments on the Juaneno Band/El Toro Air Base case, does anyone provide me local media sources I can use? I appreciate any more contributions before I include this to the article because the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians may be an active group of Juanenos who deserve their property rights back. I uncovered the official web site for the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians:. I hope this is suitable to provide this information. Mike D 26 08:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 08:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Propose name change
Could we move this article to Acjachemen, since that term is much more commonly used by this tribe? Yuchitown (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Yuchitown

I agree with Yuchitown. As a precedent, regarding the Tongva, the article title on Wikipedia is listed as Tongva and not "Gabrieleño." I checked the talk page for Tongva, and a conversation over the article title occurred in 2013 which ultimately affirmed the usage of Tongva over the Spanish-imposed name "Gabrieleño." As such, I believe this article title should be changed to Acjachemen. Xicanx (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)