Talk:Across the Universe (film)/Archive 1

T. V. Carpio
I read about T.V. Carpio playing Prudence. --  ExpImp talk con 23:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Release Date
Isn't the release date still unknown? It was originally september 2006, so I see what went wrong, but it's still unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.249.254 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's September 2007 now. September 21 to be exact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.240.155 (talk • contribs) 03:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Sept 21 is not a full release. It's not playing anywhere in the south. Atlanta, Orlando, Nashville (hello? music city!) are all excluded. --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * So, what does not playing in the south have to do with anything? When most movies open in limited release it's NY, LA and a couple other major markets (Philly, Chicago, DC, etc.). It's not like it's a movie about the south. And the "neglected Nashville once again" comment: so? Unless there's some sort of controversy there, I don't see the relevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.127.191 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not like it's a movie about Chicago either, but it still plays there... I fail to see this logic. It's past "limited release" now - in the third week it has expanded into many other markets, including Atlanta, but still excluding Nashville. Along with the oddity of an announced release date that excludes major regions, it's peculiar that a movie that obviously has such mass appeal, as well as cultural and musical relevance, would not be playing, even in its third week, in Nashville, which is a major center for music, and at least in the region a capital for film and the arts in general. I'm fine if others don't see this as relevant, that's why there's the option to edit, but that just strikes me as very odd. --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Credits for Starr
The end credits of ATU list only Lennon/McCartney/Harrison as composers. I will not edit the article, as disagrees and lists Ringo Starr as a composer. Just so you know, it's contentious. Mero son  ox  09:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, retracted, Ringo is credited for "Flying", so technically the listing's correct. Mero son  ox  07:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thousands of movie-goers turned away on 9/21?
Is there a source for this? September 21 is today. As I'm typing this it's 1pm PST. So unless a thousand people tried to see this movie for matinée, I don't see how this is possible. Can anyone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.23.152.120 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What on earth are you talking about? There's nothing in the article about this. --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously, the article has been fixed since then. Sheesh. It's there starting from 17:03, 21 September 2007 and removed 02:41, 22 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.23.152.120 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack CD
Apparently there are two versions of the Deluxe Edition soundtrack. The first was available on iTunes and at Best Buy and contains 31 songs over 2 CDs. The second is available at other retailers and contains 29 songs over 2 CDs. The sticker on the packaging clearly states 29 instead of 31. The missing songs are "I Want You" and "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" Anyone know what the story is? --Lord Bodak (talk) 05:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try and tackle rewriting the soundtrack section tomorrow to reflect this. I see there was an edit battle going on today when someone tried to change it from 31 to 29 tracks. Both versions exist and both need to be covered by the article. I still wish we knew why the heck they did this. --Lord Bodak (talk) 03:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The soundtrack section now reflects the two different releases. I'm still hoping someone will figure out exactly why they edited two songs from the general release, and if I find an article explaining it, I'll add a reference. --Lord Bodak (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The 31 track edition is (now) available outside of Best Buy/iTunes, at least here in Europe. I've updated the soundtrack section to reflect this. --Tengil (talk) 22:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Trivia section moved to talk page per WP:TRIV. Other statements were left as pop culture references. If any of the statements below can be added to the article and cited properly, please feel free to add them.


 * The majority of the songs were recorded live on-set and were not dubbed with studio recordings in post-production. Evan Rachel Wood's version of "If I Fell" is a live recording, and was successfully completed on the first take.
 * The younger sister of Max and Lucy, Julia, is an autobiographical character: Julie Taymor explains, “Lucy and Max, the brother and sister, are modeled slightly after my own older brother and sister, and I’m Julia, the young girl who’s watching" as her family dealt with the issues involved with being a young adult in the sixties. production notes
 * It was revealed on Wired.com that IP addresses associated with Sony Pictures were involved editing the Wikipedia entry on the movie.
 * In reference to the "drug" bus the characters ride on, "Weird Load" is written on the back, giving historical proof of its Merry Pranksters reference. Also that famous bus was named "Furthur" and the bus in the film is named "Beyond".
 * Three of the ensemble cast members (Spencer Liff, Sarah Jayne Jensen, and Curtis Holbrook) appeared in Hairspray.
 * The song "A Day in the Life" is heard in an instrumental version by guitarist Jeff Beck from George Martin's 1998 album In My Life.

--Pinkadelica (talk) 06:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sadie & Jojo
Though she is allowed to retain Jojo, the firing of the other members causes the couple to break up both musically and romantically. No. She does not retain Jojo. After she goes off on her own in the middle of one of her band's performances, there's a scene in which she says to her new agent "Get me someone who can play guitar!", another scene in which Jojo refuses to go to Sadie's flat, and then they're together again on the rooftop at the end. --99.236.14.143 (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI: Jojo, although visually modelled on Jimi Hendrix, is biographically much closer to James Gurley. James Gurley was Joplin's first guitarist and they had an affair. She dumped him to go solo and her first solo album was considered a soulless disaster. --Richfife (talk) 22:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Plot Summary
The current plot summary section reads like advertising copy (it includes information on the production company) as opposed to a summary of the film itself. Anyone feel like cleaning it up? --Rminer25 04:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That'd be because an IP belonging to Sony Pictures put it up. I am LOVING that Wikipedia scanner toy. --76.226.199.76 (talk)) 21:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well now, the plot is insanely long. It needs to be trimmed badly. --76.214.201.26 (talk)) 14:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The plot summary doesn't mention when Jude and Wes are reunited, which must be a more important plot point than many other details that were included. I would fix it myself but I haven't seen the film. --2IzSz (talk) 17:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The movie doesn't mention it at all. It is only implied by the fact that Jude comes to America legally when he returns, shown in the scene where his passport is stamped, for effect, by Wes. --WPaulB (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

What awards?
Says award-winning but I'm not seeing any listed? --Benjiboi (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, I say we remove it, but I will wait until someone can possibly provide a source. --JpGrB 04:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It was nonsense - inserted by an editor with a documented history of vandalism. I've removed it. --Davidpatrick (talk) 04:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's true now. --WPaulB (talk) 17:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Prudence's sexuality
I understand quite well that she wasn't heterosexual, but I don't think that she was bisexual. She did date that one man in the movie—I don't think he was seen in it—but I think that may have been an attempt to conform with the current values, or to not be lonely, perhaps. I wasn't too sure of this, so rather than edit the article, I'll just leave this discussion. --209.102.188.220 (talk) 04:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, and I'm editing the article. She's a lesbian. --Aabbbiee (talk) 16:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * She also said she had sex with Jude and Max. The movie does not make it clear that she's lesbian, other than being seriously attracted to two female characters, and finally finds Rita. Compelling, but not literally stated. --WPaulB (talk) 17:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * All right, then, I believe you. Just for my own personal curiosity, when does she say this? --209.102.188.220 (talk) 06:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Watch the scene with Sadie singing when Lucy first arrives in New York. Lucy says (to Prudence): "Do you live with Max and Jude?" and Prudence replies about Jude and Max. --WPaulB (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Pru was bi. It is never said one way or the other but in the beginning, she sings I Want To Hold Your Hand while watching a blond cheerleader and even says the line "Let me (Pru) be you MAN" When she comes in through Sadie's bathroom window, she says her boyfriend use to live across the street and admitted her black eye was from him. Later, after the "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" scene when Sadie and Jojo are dancing and go into their room, Lucy see's Pru sitting outside staring at Sadie and asks Jude if he thinks Sadie knows. When Jude asks "knows what" Lucy looks towards a very depressed looking Pru outside in the rain. The next scene is when Pru locks herself in the closet and Max says to Lucy and Jude, I think she's (Pru) hung up on me and you see Pru kind of laugh as to how wrong he is. She did admit that she "wasn't sleeping with him anymore" to Lucy when Lucy first gets to New York and they are watching Sadie, but doesn't indicate who she means, Jude or Max or both. When she left to join Mr Kite's circus and they met up after the performance, she was very eager to introduce Sadie to her new friend Rita who was a contortionist, which must have please Pru to death as Rita is very flexable. Therefore, I believe Prudence to be bisexual. The 60's were a time for experimentation after all and there were other scenes like that ex. during Come Together and I Am The Walrus, you see numberous girls with other girls. Sadie and Jojo were an interracial couple, which was just becoming excepted so it would be no surprise that Pru's bisexuality would fit in nicely with the flow of the movie. Especially if she was to sing You've Got To Hide You're Love Away, it would only make sense. But love is love is love so whatever. --Dhanifan1 (talk) 05:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You make a really good point, but keep in mind: when she says, "Let me be your man" it's still a Beatles' song, and the band was all male, after all. I still agree with bisexual, though. --209.102.188.220 (talk) 22:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter. The movie never explicitly states her sexual orientation. Neither do any official resources, such as the website or any of the cast and crew. Until and unless an official resource is listed, it needs to be changed to something neutral. Otherwise its not citable, and as such, original research. Not too sure what fits as neutral. I think it seems to be a general consensus that she is not heterosexual (the two options presented are bisexual and homosexual). For the record, I never got the impression that she was bisexual-the closest she comes to stating that is when she is talking to Lucy, and it seems possible that that was either a joke or a lie (to appear heterosexual). Perhaps it could be stated that she is attracted to women, leaving whether or not she is lesbian or bisexual up in the air. --Dylan (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Priest
Is it worth noting that during the "Happiness is a warm gun" segment, there is a priest costumed in the same outfit McCartney wore during some Beatle concerts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.230.150 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Lead
In the lead, there is no mention of this being a movie about the Beatles. The lead should be a summary, and should be able to stand alone as an abstract. So there should be some mention of the Beatles in the lead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kodster (talk • contribs) 21:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Minor Character
In the credits, there are many minor characters who are named but do not appear named in the movie. For example, there is a character called Dani. Who is Dani in the movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.102.143.76 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If I recall, he's the leader of the mangazine for which Jude does his drawings. He appears in the scene where Jude brings his drawings but there is no dialogue, and in the scene where Max burns his draft letter. Someone is called Dani in that scene, I think. He's also at the kitchen table when he, Max and the afro-haired woman discuss his options for after the draft. Maybe it is the afro-haired woman who appears in the last two scenes mentioned. --WPaulB (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I had a hunch it was one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.221.247 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Use of Beatles Music
I think this section adds quite a large amount of content to what would already be a long article. It's also poorly written (and incomplete). Much of the content is duplicated in better structured sections further down (Musical Numbers and Beatles References). Perhaps this section should be removed. --69.95.237.62 (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Sadie's Porsche
I've seen the movie four times now. I've never seen Sadie driving or get into a car, and I haven't noticed that there is a car that anyone has mentioned is hers parked outside. From "Other period allusions," what is the source of this? Sadie owns a psychedelic painted Porsche. The link goes to an official site for Janis Joplin. The linked page shows her Porsche and no mention of this movie. --WPaulB (talk) 17:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The only car I saw Sadie get into was a limo after she walks off stage after fighting with Jojo, a reference to You Never Give Me Your Money. She was discovered in a play in which she played Janis Joplin and the writer wrote in a part specifically for her. Maybe the link with her in a car was from this Joplin project as she did not have one in Across The Universe. She probably would have looked similiar in both projects. --Dhanifan1 (talk) 05:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The line about it has been removed. --WPaulB (talk) 17:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a psychedelic Porsche parked outside the flat during the rooftop concert scene. There is no proof that this car belongs to Sadie, but as Sadie is meant to be an allusion to Joplin, I believe it's supposed to be inferred that the car is Sadie's. Maybe the limo was owned by Bill's recording company, and when Sadie left it to come back to Jojo, she had to get her own car. Just a thought. --Mellophonius (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

numbers are all screwed up
There are only 33 songs and 36 items in the list, but it says 34 and 37. I am guessing this is probably because of the misunderstanding regarding The overdubbing of "She Loves You" present in "All You Need is Love". Fixing it now --66.102.196.36 (talk) 01:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

K, I think I fixed most of the references properly. May have missed a lot of the ones that are spelled out though; --66.102.196.36 (talk) 01:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Beatles References
Just to add one I think should be included. In the Cavern Club scene, the band's amplifiers are, none other than, Vox Super Beatles stacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Looku2134 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Ending Song
When Jude is singing "All You Need is Love" at the end of the movie, the article currently states that Max breaks into "She Loves You Yeah, Yeah, Yeah". However, if you listen to "All You Need is Love", towards the very end, they sing "She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah". So when Max sings this, they are still just singing "All You Need is Love". Thus, the actual song "She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah" is not in the movie. --63.64.196.115 (talk) 21:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Max sings a line of "She Loves You". I think that's what the article meant. It's much like in the original version by The Beatles. Listen to it. --Dmoorefield68 (talk) 05:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless the "She Loves You" lines are in the official lyrics of "All You Need Is Love," then "She Loves You" was indeed sung in the movie, or just one line of it. Some lyrics heard in Beatles songs aren't officially written in. For example, the "yes we can" (often mistaken for "yesterday") in All You Need Is Love is also not written in the lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.10.181.50 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * They are very prominent in the Beatles' version of the recording, and it's a stretch to assume that they would be present in a remake of a song in the exact same spot merely by chance. --66.102.196.36 (talk) 02:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's just say that it is another Beatles reference - just as the Beatles inserted a bit of She Loves You into All You Need Is Love, the same was done in AtU. That still doesn't solve the song reference, though. In that case, just credit She Loves You separately, just as the end credits of the actual movie do. They probably did their research to decide whether or not to credit the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.221.137 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Punctuation of song titles
Because there are so many songs in the film, this is a reminder that Wikipedia uses the system of logical quotations, putting commas/periods outside of quotation marks, unless quoting an entire sentence. Unlike in English grammar, commas should be placed after quotation marks in listing song titles, such as: "Let It Be", "Help", "Here Comes the Sun". --Wikid77 (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Jude as representation of The Beatles
For all of the Characters that are allusions (Sadie to Janis Joplin, JoJo to Hendrix) I'm just wondering if Jude represents The Beatles as a whole. It just seems like that should be mentioned. I could be an idiot and appologize if that's what I come off as. But It seems like a possibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.212.110.134 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think Jude was an allusion to ALL the Beatles - just John and Paul. John for his political ideals (Revolution) and the deep sequence of Strawberry Fields Forever, Paul for his charm and humor (I've Just Seen a Face, All My Loving). He really didn't have any of George's quiet persona or love of eastern religion, nor did he have Ringo's jolly personality or use of "Ringoisms." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.28.161.100 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that Jude may represent Paul, but I have no doubt that he also represents John. John had a father who went away and they rarely saw each other. John was also a plastic artist. (surce: Bill Yenne, The Beatles) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.182.216 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Bill and The Hearts Club Band
What does the name Bill have to do with the Hearts Club Band? --Tbonetime (talk) 17:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Billy Shears, but that's very forum-esque. --JpGrB 20:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Or maybe Bungalow Bill. Shaky reference, I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.182.216 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Jim Sturgess
Add "Jim" to Jim Sturgess. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.39.178 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Other period references
Does anyone know why there was no Jim Morrison reference? With the Janis Joplin/Jimi Hendrix characters, it seemed an oversight that there was no Jim Morrison/Doors parallel as well. Also, is it reasonable to assume that Max's hallucination in the fields was a reference to the Napalm girl? That's one of the most striking and famous images of the Vietnam war and I thought the reference was obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.111.19.107 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would assume this is because the Doors were LA-based. As far as other period references, I think it would be nice to have a brief mention of the SDS and Weather Underground references within this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.148.186 (talk • contribs) 17:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference to "She Loves You" chorus in "All You Need is Love"
The article states it's John singing that part; it's Paul. John is singing "Love is all you need" and Paul comes in with "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah"... --Jerodallen (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I wish someone would definitively answer that and stop the edit reverting. --WPaulB (talk) 19:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It is clearly Paul who comes in with "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" I have no clue why it keeps going back and forth. Just listen to the recording and you can tell. --Pgold1 (talk) 02:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So I just went back and listened one more time to the song. John is clearly singing "Love is all you Need" followed by Paul and George repeating. When it comes to "She Loves You..." it sound very much like it is Paul singing. There is a slight possibility that it is two people, but I think that is unlikely. Just before "She Loves You", Paul clearly yells "Oh Yeah" and it is (in my mind) unquestionably Paul. The person singing "She Loves You..." is most likley the same person who yelled "Oh Yeah," so that would mean that it is Paul alone singing it. The problem is that John stopped singing "Love is All You Need" at this point, so it could be him. I think that the better edit is to just say that the verse is sung and leave out the singer. That would hopefully be ok with everyone. --Pgold1 (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Still ever-changing. --WPaulB (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed it back to Paul. Anyone who thinks that is John, obviosily doesn't know John's vocal range or tonal quality, therefore, how much do they really know about The Beatles. I see alot of mistakes in this article. I'm not going to go through and fix everyone of them, I'm just too lazy, but I did fix that one. --Dmoorefield68 (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No matter how much you know about the Beatles, you still don't know enough about basic grammar to know that "a lot" is TWO words lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.10.181.50 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No matter how much you know, if you don't read the references you get it wrong, too. The Beatles Anomolies List, which is referenced in the article, says, quite clearly, in conclusion, "[i]t’s Paul. Then, both of them." Obviously, this is a matter of some dispute, but if you're gonna use a reference, it should probably be used properly. So i'm changing it. You can change it back, if you have a different, more accurate, reference. Cheers, LindsayH (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I never said whether it was Paul or John. I only put in one line. I was only commenting on Dmoorefield68's bad grammar. Sheesh. --Mellophonius (talk) 13:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There are references on these types of things. There could be citations and the matter settled. It was Paul). --Levalley (talk) 22:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm here to copyedit
The copyedit notice was put on this article in December, 2008. I don't see all that much to do, as copyediting is not the right place to go to expect someone to edit down a movie summary, if that's the problem. I'll be fixing commas, run-on sentences, and the usual copyediting stuff - and then removing the box. --Levalley (talk) 22:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

a span must go from one place to another; 1964-5 could be spanned, 1964 cannot be (it's very awkward to say so). Which/that problems fixed. Passive tense used excessively/most fixed. Word repetitions fixed. Eliminated some redundancies. Closed open parentheses and tried to make sense of sentences left fragmented. If I could find no clear relationship between a sentence and the one that went before it, I deleted the sentence, particularly if the same action was referred to elsewhere in the article. There's an awful lot of this kind of thing, but to try and fix it is beyond the scope of a mere copyedit - the purpose of the article and its subsections needs to be clearer.

Non editing note: The psychedelic bus is plainly a reference to Kesey's bus (Further) which is now (but is not really) in the Smithsonian. John Lennon also did nude sketches (didn't just pose nude).

There are really two different movie summaries here - one which focuses on the plot of the film, and the other which goes through and lists the songs and how they were used in the movie. That's not a copyediting issue, that goes deeper into the structure and scope of the article. I did remove one or two sentences that were cross-talk - in both parts, but not about a song (but still in the second part). I question the reasoning behind this decision, but I also understand why someone would want to specifically mention how the songs were used. Strong recommendation not to repeat things in the second section unduly and to put whatever I took out that was specific to the plot in the first section. Keep the second section close to its topic (how the songs are used), do not make the second section a rehash of the just-given plot, above.

Well, it was a pleasure to help out in fixing these copyediting issues. If you want more help, contact me at my talk page. I'm taking down the help banner. --Levalley (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

There are too many connectors in this piece, I removed many. Unless there's a reason, any reader knows that the next sentence refers to what happened next. So saying, "next..." or "then...." all the time accomplishes very little. It's assumed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Levalley (talk • contribs) 22:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Suggested improvements
In the lead paragraph, after the words "the Beatles" include the inclusive dates (the span of time from which the movie chooses its songs). This will be informative, and also help break up a series of rather choppy sentences.

Third paragraph should mention that whether it did or didn't win any awards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Levalley (talk • contribs) 23:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Dates
The years that the movie takes place in are all screwed up. The movie, at the earliest can start taking place in 1965, with the beginning of American combat in the Vietnam War. With the Jojo's brother being killed in the 12th Street Riots that happened in 1967, the song "Come Together" must take place during then. Later, Martin Luther King Jr's assassination in 1968 is mentioned. So, it could not have taken place from 1963-65. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.4.230 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Long Article
Isn't this page extremely extensive? And I've never seen a page so big with so little References and Sources. --ShinjiPG (talk) 10:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Most of the sources would be the movie itself, if you want to go through and add all the time stamps of events. Also, when this page first appeared, a lot of content was added by an IP associated with Sony Pictures, a major player. --WPaulB (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's almost the same size as the Harry Potter article, and that one has much more references/sources and we are dealing with a collection of 7 books there. This is just 1 movie, which is not even that culturally important (at least that I am aware of). Wikipedia never ceases to amaze me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShinjiPG (talk • contribs) 13:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Most musical movies would be equally long if they listed minor characters, the soundtrack, and how the soundtrack wove into the plot. Most of the length here is created by lists. In regard to culturally-significant: this is not a collection of songs chosen for the movie, the songs were chosen all from a specific musical group and a story woven from them referecing the events of the same decade as the music was written. Here we have a movie about the Beatles introduction to the American music scene, the reactions of Americans to the Vietnam war and major anti-war demonstration, and the emergence of the against-societal-norm lifestyle changes of the 60's. How is a war and a significant change in music or behaviour not culturally significant? There's a lot wrapped up in this movie. --WPaulB (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not that Harry Potter or any other book, movie, song, person, or any other crtap society can through at us had any cultural, or any, significance on the world. Life goes on, whether we have a 'go green' wave or 'crazed fans' fad or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.155.232.177 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)