Talk:Actinidia arguta

Really played with this page - at a local organic store I found locally grown 'kiwi' - I am in Maine. So, what are these?? I edited the article a lot, and added the image. Which has a nickle as a comparison for size. I hope this is a good thing to do. --Dumarest 23:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Edited spelling 67.71.33.38 02:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Added new high-resolution picture and put images in gallery format. Moved information about purchasing fruits to separate section and flagged as original research. The original research in question may remain useful to some users at the moment, but should be removed once the article matures. --Hiperpinguino (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Revert
See WP:Reliable sources. The only one worth saving from the recent page edits is this one: but it was only cited for one sentence. Catalogs and websites selling products are not considered reliable sources of information and should not be included. I'm also reverting the page move. hardy kiwi (lowercase!) can be made into a disambiguation page or maybe an article on the fruit product and not the species. See WP:NC (flora). Rkitko (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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I see your point on the catalogs being unreliable sources. For the most part, these catalog citations were being used for the cultivars list - I will try to find some more reliable data for this part of the article. I have definitely come across reliable sources for the cultivation section during my research, shouldn't be too hard to back that part up with more reliable refs.

As for the page move - the problem with having "hardy kiwi" redirect to this specific "Actinidia arguta" article is that there are in fact several species of small kiwifruit called "hardy kiwi", not just A. arguta. These other species all have similar stubs with facts that are specific to that individual species. After these citation issues are resolved, it would make sense to have a main article for the fruit, and then smaller stubs for each individual species - a similar technique is used for the kiwifruit article, which I have tried to use as a template for hardy kiwi. Hiperpinguino (talk) 06:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I know it's difficult to find reliable sources on cultivars; hopefully you can find something suitable. I can look around a bit, as well, but I won't make any promises. I've added some information from the botanical side on this species. Hopefully this will help the article a bit with a balance between cultivation and the botanical species info.
 * I agree that hardy kiwi should probably be turned into a disambiguation page as I suggested above. We do this with plant common names all the time, see fleabane, for example. You can also read the flora naming conventions for some guidance, especially the part concerning species that produce common products like fruit. For example, we have articles that describe the taxon and a separate article (without a taxobox) that describes the product of that species (e.g. wood products, fruit, vegetables, etc.). The problem with your suggestion below and why I find it objectionable is that cultivation information and fruit product info is going to be species-specific. It makes more sense to me to discuss all of these things on their respective articles. Rkitko (talk) 14:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information on the cultivars. After considering your comments against having cultivation information on one common page, I tend to agree with you.  I started with the assumption that cultivation would be very similar among species, but I think that assumption would quickly prove to be false.  I'll be sure to check the flora naming conventions before working on a disambiguation page this time.  You've opened my eyes to several protocols since the page revert, much to the benefit of the hardy kiwi project. Hiperpinguino (talk) 20:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Citations Fixed
I have removed all the catalog-based sources from the article, as well as the text that corresponded to these poor sources. The varieties section is totally gone until better sources are found for that area. At this point, our sources are only academic institutions, industry organizations, and a gardening magazine. Using the new sources, I rewrote about 50% of the article to ensure its verifiability.

Looking forward: I think that it would be wise to move the Cultivation section to a new article on the fruit product called "hardy kiwi" or "hardy kiwifruit" (similar to the "kiwifruit" article). This new article would also be a good place to bring back a list of the different species and varieties - with better sources, of course. Hiperpinguino (talk) 07:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hardy Kiwi is hermaphrodite
"For vines to bear fruit, both male and female plants must be present to enable pollination. A male pollinator can enable six female producers to fruit" that sentence and information is right for normal kiwi (actinidia deliciosa) wrong for hardy kiwi (actinidia arguta) because both male and female organs for hardy kiwi is on the same plant so it is a hermaphrodite plant and can be self-pollinated. for this reason this wrong information must be change for hardy kiwi.(94.54.191.17 (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC))


 * I can attest to this fact. It also seems to be widely misunderstood!  I planted 2 rooted specimens of 'Arctic Kiwi' 4 or 5 years ago.  I purchased from a local Tractor Supply on a whim, noting that there needed to be 2 plants for fruit production.  I planted these on the corner of an old fence row next to my property.  Neither one grew particularly well and one died a year later.  I ignored the other for a few seasons, but noticed this year that the remaining vine had vigorous growth.  I cleaned the area around it and removed all the 'duplicate shoots' coming up, training the growth along the fence wires.  I was astonished when I saw flower buds forming and remembered that 2 were required for proper pollination.  I ran to the store to find additional specimens but it was late in the spring and the two I found/bought and planted did not survive. I was rather disgusted that I would have to wait several years to get another plant mature enough to allow fruit production... I was very surprised when my flowers became small fruit! I have looked for a viable explanation for this phenomenon and finally found the above validation that they are indeed self-pollinating. 24.112.196.64 (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Commercial Production
We updated this page to include central Pennsylvania. We are the owners of Kiwi Berry Organics Co./Kiwi Korners Farm and have researched, breed, developed, produced, and marketed actinidia arguta (hardy kiwi) aka: kiwi berries for the past (25) twenty-five years. We produce hardy kiwi commercially, in our twenty acre arbor, as our primary income.

Our definition of "commercial production" is an arbor of hardy kiwi vines that is a minimum of 2.5 acres in size and/or produces 10,000 pounds of fruit or more annually.

There are currently three (3) successful commercial producers of actinidia arguta (hardy kiwi) aka: kiwi berries in the USA today. These are: ourselves - Kiwi Berry Organics Co./Kiwi Korners Farm in Danville, PA (organically grown), Nine Star Ranch in Wilsonville, Oregon (organically grown), and Hursts Berry Farm in Sheridan, Oregon (conventionally grown).

We omitted northern New England from the pages as there is not a commercial source in this area. We are willing to contribute additional information to support this page if we can be of assistance. Kiwidj160 (talk) 16:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)Kiwidj160 (talk) 16:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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The section "Denmark" should be removed
You have added the text: "In Denmark, hardy kiwi is made into jam." What is the source? The picture File:Kiwibesstroop Hoogstraten open.JPG is btw. showing text in Dutch, not in Danish. This section should be removed. --Madglad (talk) 22:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)