Talk:Activities of daily living/Archive 1

Changes
I have tidied up this article as so:


 * all health professionals assess using the activities of daily living
 * tidied the activities listed (ie, sexuality is not an activity of living, and 'feeding' and 'eating' are the same activity)


 * I changed around a lot of your edits. Death and dying is not an ADL.  Maintaining a safe environment is an IADL and is already listed under that section.  Also, expressing sexual activity is not an ADL, its the actual activity that is the ADL.  Finally, I think that elimination is a term that is too rarely used, which is why I put back in the bowel and bladder movements. --aishel 02:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is worth pointing out that Roper et al's work does have dying as an activity of living (being the final one, of course!). I have just noticed that you are an OT by background. Roper et al's model is from a nursing perspective so perhaps that is relevant regarding the difference in definition?--Vince 22:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I hear ya! The way I see it, and of course this could be my OT background, people don't die as part of their every day activities of life.  Isn't that what this article is about?  Daily living?  You could put it back in, but in my humble opinion, there should be a note saying that that is according to one model. --aishel 03:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

02/08/2007.

roper et al's work does not discuss personal device care as an activity of daily living. bowel and bladder management is not the correct way to refer to elimination (as it may have to be recorded in nursing notes that a patient has vomited, for example, and this is elimination). you have to bear in mind roper, logan and tierney were all nurses, and the activities of daily living are part of roper et al's nursing model. nor do they discuss instrumental activities of daily living, but i've got to see the other references to see if they do. further to this, roper et al identify maintaining a safe environment an activity of daily living, as a safe environment is referring to the body. as has been mentioned, death is an activity of daily living as set by roper et al. this article definately needs attention from somebody who has more knowledge on this subject. once i break out my copy of the elements of nursing i'll come back to clean it up. it is obvious from whomever wrote this, they have never set eyes on the elements of nursing.

Two models
Since there are obviously two separate models, why not just have a new section that says something like According to Roper's model of Nursing (or whatever its actually called) these are the ADLs. What's listed currently is the occupational therapy POV, and I think that that is clear from the current version of the article. --aishel 15:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

aishel,

you're referring to two models. the "other" model you must be referring to is not the roper et al framework of ADL. i have removed the roper et al reference and await a tidy up most specific to occupational therapy - if this is the goal of the article.

the article is completey unreferenced now (i only removed the RLT elements of nursing reference). you need proper texts to back up this article, especially IDALs.


 * There were actually 2 references, both from journals that you just removed. If you're going to remove references and then claim that there are no references whatsoever, I'm not sure that this article is in your best interest to be editing. I have reverted your edit. --aishel 21:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

sorry, yes, that was my mistake. i understand you must be annoyed as i removed your references - but i was trying to remove the elements of nursing from the reference list because it is not cited and the information on this page is a false account of roper et al's work. when i tell you the article is unreferenced, that's because it is, and the references put are not appropriate.

the reference from the singapore family physician is cited in accessory information. i would probably look for more references to do with the IDALs, as it's not a subject i'm familiar with. the bulk of the article still remains unreferenced. it needs to be more specific to whom's activities of daily living are being defined - as it is not roper et al's.

the first reference i find i am unable to access the full text, even through ovid and other athen's databases. poses a problem for me if i am unable to verify what you're citing.

i have removed the link from the roper logan and tierny model of nursing page, because this article does not refer specifically to their model of nursing, of which their activities of daily living are a part of. this could confuse accessors. the model of nursing page has the ADLs definied

if this article is using ADLs that are used mainly by occupational therapists, the article should clearly state that and provide substantial evidence to show this. please note the ADLs used by roper logan and tierny are used mainly by nurses as part of the model of nursing. the article needs more work to it and you should be the one to do it, as at the moment i'm not sure you understand the activities of living. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * I propose the current layout to this and the Roper-Logan-Tierney model of nursing page. It is clear that the Roper model is activities of living and varies from the activities of daily living model. I have removed the Roper reference from the latter as I think it is inappropriate now in this context. I hope this is acceptable. I think we need to avoid professional tribalism about this issue. --Vince 10:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

11 Oct 2007
Because this page is referencing the actual activities of daily living not a model or a tool, I removed the definition that ADLs are "a tool". I supplied an online medical dictionary source, and tidied up the second paragraph because in and of their selves, ADLs are not tools, or methods of evaluation, but the actual activities. Alysonwonderland 19:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

ADL's or AL's??
Are the daily activities of life not now known as just "AL"'s - not ADL's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.18.44 (talk) 18:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

AL's
I thought it was AL's - Activities of life, as dying is one of the activities, and this is obviously not undertaken daily.--CapFan


 * Nope - definitely ADLs here in Oz. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you look at the top of the page it gives a link to the similar Roper-Logan-Tierney model of nursing which is the activities of living model (ALs) and incorporates death. --Vince (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In my RLT book, "The Elements of nursing" and "applying the roper logan tierney model in practice" its known as the activities of living. Kungfukats2 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC).
 * ignore me I realise my mistake, thanks. Kungfukats2 (talk) 20:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits from UCSF SOM Students
8/30/21: We will make changes as specified by this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14RevqPo9VsLXcZSGXgNuRfUGLwymIlh8UEAJdX0CIsk/edit?usp=sharing

09/13/21: Feedback from other group/sp3454 I really appreciate how the edits demonstrate how the concept of ADL has changed over time and really adapts and changes in the context of the person.

9/13/2021 Rio B-C I really appreciate how this team has improved the Activity of Daily Livings page, specifically by discussing how the ADL definition has changed over time and how the ADL assessment changes from one individual's context to another. I appreciate how the team has described the clinical utility of assessing ADL and IADLs. Two suggestions 1) consider adding a section on how health care disparities manifest in relation to ADL/IADLs 2) consider explaining the difference between ADLs and IADLs in the introduction - I know there are more details in other sections of the page but it may be nice to quickly distinguish them in the introduction. Awesome work!