Talk:Acura RL

RL=Really lame
I enjoy the speculation on the page about what "RL" really means. I saw one of these the other day and I thought I was looking at a Accord or a new TL. Wow, what a boring car the RL is. Where does my $50K go? This car is outrageously priced for what it is given what the competition is offering, above all a V8 powerplant, and imposing looks, which is what moves cars in this segment. CJ DUB 19:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)



To: RL=Really lame. You are really lame!
Why would you buy a car that's more like a "sleeper" type of vehicle if you were looking for more exciting car, “flashy” car. If you are looking to flash and make a statement you should of went with Lexus or BMW. This is a great car for people who want extremely comfortable luxury ride and benefits of NOT being noticed everywhere they drive. I love this car! Its build great, and reliability is amazing comparing to any car luxury brand out there. I would never again buy a flashy car, it is so shallow and all you do is showing off that “hey, look, I can afford to drive this car”. It is just a name game. Overall Review of RL: A good car for smart people who know how to get value for their money.

Hmm.. Here is some food for thought:

- an electromagnetic all-wheel drive system that can bias the torque left and right - active noise cancellation - DVD surround sound with XM - 290 hp V-6 (double what some V-8's made not too long ago!) - high quality leather and real wood - Best in the industry navigation system with traffic alerts

Thats just to name a few. I smell troll.


 * This is not a place to discuss your thoughts about the car. For that, start a blog, or discuss it on an internet forum.  Hondasar   e  GOOD  21:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Full Size?
I am pretty sure that this is a mid-size sedan ... especially since the other cars in its class (Lexus GS)is considered mid-sized. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.2.175.113 (talk • contribs).


 * WP's own full-size car article states that to be fullsize, a car has to have a wheelbase of more than 110 in (Imperial measures here for you American guys). The RL has 110.5, so it's one of the smallest, but still a fullsize car. Bravada, talk - 00:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge request
The rationale for the merge request is that the standards adopted by WikiProject Automobiles specify that an article on a given model should be named the way the model is named in the home market. Acura Legend and Acura RL are American-market-only nameplates applied to the same car (made it the same factory) known elsewhere, including its "home" Japanese market, as Honda Legend. Therefore, it is only logical to have all the models and generations described as Honda Legend, with redirects and explanation of North American marketing.

Please also note that Honda Legend has already been marked as Category:Executive cars. Acura RL has not been sold in Europe as such, so it generally cannot be labelled as an executive car, while the category would add it to the list of executive cars, creating the impression that both Legend and RL were sold in the markets where the "executive car" classification functions.

Regards, Bravada, talk - 09:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, if the Acura Legend will be merged with the Honda Legend, I agree that the RL should be merged with it. If the Acura Legend should not be merged with the namesake Honda, then the RL should be merged with the Acura Legend article, since the RL was a replacement for the Legend. ← T•h•e   R.S.J. → 18:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, they will all be merged into the Honda, so you can remove the other tag, which is confusing. I just needed to leave some "grace period" for eventual protests or such, and I have to find time to reconcile everything :D Just a bit patience please - or do execute the merge yourself! Bravada, talk - 18:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Similar to RL
I'd say a midsize FWD/AWD luxury car is more similar to an FWD and AWD midsize luxury car than a RWD vehicle. A 9-5 or S80 would thus be closer than a GS or M, especially for the 1st generation. IFCAR 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, the old Legend (I mean 1st/2nd-gen RL) is rather more similar to RWD cars than to transverse engine FWD cars, just like the Audi A6. It is also much bigger than the Saab and significantly than the Volvo. In 2001, the Acura RL was priced much higher in the US than base S80's or 9-5's, actually even higher than the GS 300. I guess it was more aimed against the Japanese rivals than European executive cars, especially given the size. Bravada, talk - 23:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It definitely competes with the others more, but I had been under the impression that the "similar" category focused more on design than direct competition. And for what it's worth, the RL has had trouble selling within $5,000 of its sticker price, typically retailing in the low $40ks, which is closer to the 9-5 and S80. IFCAR 01:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said, technically it is the closest to the A6, and closer to RWD cars than transversely-engined FWD executives. I of course agree that this field should not boil down to "competition", and I'd be happy to see only the A6 in this field actually ("less is more"), but I see more reason to direct the users to Infirniti and Lewxus as "similar" vehicles (in general concept, i.e. luxury Japanese cars, sold in North America under their own brand) than random FWD European executives. BTW, according to cars.msn.com, currently the RL retails for approx. $44-47K, which is about $5K below MSRPs, but still more than base GS's, M's, or even BMW 5ers! The 9-5 sets you back 1/4 to 1/3 less, and the outgoing S80 does not even near $40K in the most expensive version.
 * In the more balanced European market, or more precisely - UK market ("Target Price" from WhatCar.com), the more loaded versions of the new S80 manage to outdo the Legend, but certainly not the 9-5, which does not even come with a petroleum V6. The Legend's pricing is also comparable to mid-range A6's and loaded versions of GS 300. Again, I'd say that if you believe Lexus and Infiniti shouldn't be there, only the A6 is really entitled to occupy that field, for the AWD and longitudinally mounted engine. Bravada, talk - 01:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A TL would be close to a GS (BTW, TL competes with ES too, while TSX competes with IS, C-Class and 3 Series). I'd say an RL being similar to that of a Lexus LS!!! -- Take Me Higher 00:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Collision Mitigation Braking System
I thought the 'Safety' part of the article was a little short, so I added in the RL's Collision mitigation Braking system in that section. And I am out!

The safety part still seems a bit short, though =)

Dnlkk94 00:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

2009 RL as Third Generation
I do not believe the 2009 RL to be a third generation car but rather a mid model change (freshening) of the existing RL, as extensive as the freshening may be. The upcoming 2011 model, scheduled to be introduced in late calendar 2010 is what I would use the third generation nomenclature for.

Chas2rl (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree; I think an image of the 2009 RL needs to be seen to confirm and then the new section can be removed.(Regushee (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC))

Since you guys think that the 2009 RL is a mid model change, shouldn't the productions info say from 2005-2011 instead of 2005-2009? 71.193.162.77 (talk) 03:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The production end date should remain as unknown because 2011 is absolute speculation. No one knows when the production end date is until Honda stops making the RL in its current form. No date should be displayed at all. (Regushee (talk) 04:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

But most other car articles have a production end date. I think it should say 2005-present or 2005-2011, but I don't think it should have a question mark at the end. I don't think any car articles have that. 71.193.162.77 (talk) 19:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

removed content
I removed two large sections recently added by Chas2rl. These section were unencyclopedic and largely original research. These section amount to user guides which are covered under WP:NOT. Please discuss before reverting. --Leivick (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Excessive detail
The lists of color choices and options should be shortened or deleted altogether. Wikipedia is not a sales brochure, and year-to-year color changes are not really of general reader interest. --Vossanova o&lt; 21:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Mid-size luxury is NOT THE REAL CLASS!
The Acura RL/RLX compares with the Lexus LS, not the GS. The TL goes with GS, the TSX with ES (the IS, too), and the ILX with HS. --166.137.208.30 (talk) 01:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reference from a reliable source and it can be changed to mid-size. Bahooka (talk) 01:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not a mid-size, dude! Motor Trend is stupid. :-) --166.137.208.30 (talk) 01:55, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

ACURA RL DRIVERS
What they think it compares with: Lexus GS What their friends and family think it compares with: Lexus ES What the cops think it compares with: Ford Mustang What Mr. Bean thinks it compares with: His Mini Cooper What Will Smith thinks it compares with: Chevrolet Bel Air What it really compares with: Lexus LS See, that's right! Comparing an expensive flagship with a mid-size luxury car is like comparing apples with oranges. --2602:306:CDB2:4130:6CF3:9FE5:A395:E7AA (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Mid-size luxury car or full-size?
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1002_luxury_sport_sedan_comparison/ --2602:306:CDB2:4130:6CF3:9FE5:A395:E7AA (talk) 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please identify where Motor Trend states the RL is mid-size, keeping in mind that "mid-level" is about pricing, not size. Bahooka (talk) 04:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Yet, when it comes to a premium mid-level sport sedan from a luxury automaker, whether with six- or eight-cylinder power, $50,000 is pretty much the price of entry. --2602:306:CDB2:4130:A1D8:9515:8895:66D (talk) 04:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Like I said, mid-level is about the price, not the size. This Motor Trend quote does not support the change you keep trying to make. Bahooka (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * However, this reference from the U.S. Department of Energy states it is a mid-size for EPA purposes. This is a much better source.  Before making a change to a long-standing version of an article, it would be interesting to see if there are any references to support its classification as a full-size auto and then compare the references. Bahooka (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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