Talk:Ada Wong/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cukie Gherkin (talk · contribs) 22:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

(Criteria marked are unassessed)
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):
 * b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a. (reference section):
 * b. (citations to reliable sources):
 * c. (OR):
 * d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a. (major aspects):
 * b. (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
 * b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/fail:
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a. (major aspects):
 * b. (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
 * b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/fail:
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
 * b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/fail:
 * b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/fail:
 * Pass/fail:

Infobox


 * 1) Noboru Sugimura's role should be mentioned in the lead.


 * 1) Any voice talent for Ada should be mentioned in the article, assuming that reliable sources can be found to warrant the discussion. For instance, you could mention Jolene Andersen, Lily Gao, and Junko Minagawa, and include the rest of the people who performed her in annotations.
 * ✅, has also already implemented at the portrayal section.


 * 1) The motion capture section should be represented in the article
 * ✅, thou I couldn't fibd source of her motion capture for the original RE4 somehow. Not sure if I will end up removing it.


 * 1) Multiple unsourced credits; wouldn't be an issue, except some credits are only in the infobox
 * Same problem above.

Lead


 * 1) Lead should mention info regarding her creation and development.
 * Attempted


 * 1) Her role as an antiheroine is only mentioned in the lead.
 * I have added it on the appearance section on her RE2 appearance.

Concept and design


 * 1) The points seem to be arranged in a confusing way. Ada's "movie model" (should be called cutscene model) shouldn't come before a lot of the content in this paragraph.
 * Attempted


 * 1) The designers' thoughts on her character seem randomly placed in the paragraph. Please tweak. This could probably be its own paragraph since there's so much commentary.
 * No idea which sentence is this.


 * 1) I don't see any need for Separate Ways to be discussed here.
 * ✅ removing.


 * 1) "Story writer Noboru Sugimura was responsible for adding Ada's work" What does "Ada's work" mean?
 * ✅ reworded.


 * 1) Who is Urb?
 * I boldly opted to remove the Urb quote as I felt it was an offhand "X-Files" comparison that didn't really add anything substantial to the section. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I boldly opted to remove the Urb quote as I felt it was an offhand "X-Files" comparison that didn't really add anything substantial to the section. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * 1) Who said she was inspired by La Femme Nikita?
 * ✅ removing it since its from reception.


 * 1) The second paragraph starts by talking about her role in a movie, which doesn't fit this section.
 * ✅ removing it.


 * 1) Her would-be role in Village should be in Appearances.


 * 1) Overall, my big concern with this section is that a lot of it seems randomly placed, and some content doesn't really belong in here. The first paragraph is also quite large.
 * Tried removing some other irrleevant stuffs and arranged it and was later restructured by Beemer69.


 * 1) It should clarify that the kiss was a thing in RE2 remake, because as is I'm unsure just from reading whether that's the case.
 * Added a bit info.

Portrayal


 * 1) Gao being the first Asian actress to do a voice and live-action portrayal of Ada does not appear to be sourced.
 * ✅ changing source into Polygon.


 * 1) "Due to the Senkaku Islands dispute, Li did not attend the Tokyo premiere of the film and reportedly also requested her image be edited out of Japanese promotional posters." - This isn't really relevant to Ada.
 * ✅ removing it.


 * 1) Can you find a better source for the Puzzle Fighter detail than BTVA?
 * Theres no other reliable sources sadly.


 * 1) The price of the wig's not an important detail.
 * Removed


 * 1) Should rephrase her enjoyment of the firearms changing to be merely that she received firearms training.
 * Reworded

Appearances


 * 1) Unless I misread, the source doesn't deal with Ada being given the connection to the Ada in RE retroactively.
 * ✅ removing it.


 * 1) Ada being playable should be clarified that she is playable in Separate Ways. Also, is she playable in Assignment: Ada?


 * 1) I feel like Ada being of Chinese descent should be in Concept and design, especially since the point of the first Asian actress to portray her live and voiced comes before the clarification of her ethnicity.
 * Moved


 * 1) Can you point to where it cites she is mentioned in RE1? I didn't spot it.
 * I ended uo deleting the claim.


 * 1) What is the sequel mentioned in the second sentence? It's identified as being popularly known as RE1.5; is that RE2, a different sequel, or a cancelled game?
 * Done, a cancelled game.


 * 1) Her appearing in CV and RE3N is not referenced.
 * Removed


 * 1) Her appearance in The Umbrella Chronicles should be cited with a proper third-party source rather than the game itself.
 * Ended up removing it.


 * 1) "Antiheroine" needs to be cited.
 * 2) Multiple details, including the rocket launcher and Tyrant involvement, are unsourced. Please go through and double check that all content is sourced properly, and let me know once you've done so. For now, I'll just skip that part until you've confirmed that. I've also noticed that various details regarding things like Assignment: Ada and Ada's Report seem unsourced.
 * I ended up them and added sources.


 * 1) Need a source to say that these other appearances are not canon. If none can be found, you can just say "other games in the series."
 * Reworded


 * 1) "In the live-action film Resident Evil: Retribution (2012), Ada Wong is held captive by the Umbrella-controlled Jill Valentine and fights against Jill and Bad Rain, together with Alice." - This is a little confusing. Is she merely with Alice? Is she fighting alongside Alice? Is she fighting against Alice?
 * Reworded

Reception


 * 1) At a glance, the reception section seems somewhat problematic. I'd recommend trying to condense certain sources down as you are able; for instance, "Larry Hester of Complex described Ada as the best-looking "sideline chick" in games, commenting on her resemblance to the title character of La Femme Nikita." this commentary is not very valuable (what even is a sideline chick?). Consider using the source for a statement on her sex appeal if there are other sources to be found to corroborate that idea.

Images


 * 1) Two images do not use a proper fair use rationale, and the third image (the RE4 image) does not clarify why readers need to see it.


 * 1) The photo of Li Bingbing should be, I think, in the Portrayals section. Since the In films section is so small, it kind of squishes into the next section.
 * Done moving it.

References


 * 1) Drop the Behind the Voice Actors source for Cahill, replace with the Rely on Horror source instead.


 * Cukie Gherkin done attempting to fix everything, except the one unsourced motion capture (not sure if I will remove it). GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 11:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Cukie Gherkin I think I have done andattempted addressing your concerns.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 20:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Cukie Gherkin Done again (3rd time). GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 10:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Right now, my major concern is that the Reception section seems like it needs to be improved a fair bit still. I also have to check the other media appearances and the quality of references. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed the last unsourced claim at other appearances sec Me and maybe Beemer69 are ready for the issues at reception to fix :D.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 10:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep. I’m curious as to what further improvements are still needed (and I don’t mean that in a snarky way). sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  20:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed most of them and merged 2 paragraphs (last paragraph before was short). GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Cukie psst. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * First paragraph looks good. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yey, 2nd paragraph is a bit short. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, here are the remaining concerns.
 * 1) The reception to do with Chinese audience's take on Gao makes it sound like the reviews are what made them feel that way; rephrase.


 * 1) I'm seeing multiple sources that don't appear to be listed on Wikipedia as RS. These include Joystick Division, Tom's Games, and The Inquirer.


 * 1) Make sure that citation fields are properly done. For one, you don't need to put Siliconera staff as the author, as that's implied; just leave that one blank. For another, are fukikaeru.com and biohazardcg2.com the names of the sites? If not, remove the .com and properly format them.