Talk:Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana

Adai / Caddo
Taking this to the talk page. "Natao, Hadeyes, Adais, Adayes, Aday, Adaes, Adae, Caddo, Cadeaux, Caddo Confederacy" are all terms for the Adai people and the Caddo Confederacy (the latter being far larger than the former). The Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana is a state-recognized tribe, which includes some descendants of Adai people, but borrowing citations discussing Adai people or the Caddo Confederacy is WP:SYNTH. References removed from article:  Yuchitown (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The citations reference the ADAI TRIBE. Legally under Louisiana law, the Adai Tribe is the Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana.  One of the citation's materials comes directly from the Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana (Adaizan quote) and the material is owned by the tribe.  The first reference specifically states "Adai Tribe".  The second reference cites La Salle Expedition, which La Salle documented the tribe.  La Salle's report is a report of tribes.  Just as with the French explorers that followed, they documented tribes and negotiated and memorialized documents treating the tribes as nations.  The Adai are a tribe and legally recognized as such by the State of Louisiana, National Park Service, and US Census Bureau. AvoyellesCajun (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, Louisiana recognizes Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana as a state-recognized tribe. No one is debating that fact. The La Salle Expedition and later French colonists did not meet the state-recognized tribe and 501(c)(3) organization based in Robeline, Louisiana. There are not secondary, published sources coming from outside the Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana that people from outside the organization refers to members of this state-recognized tribe as Natao, Hadeyes, Adais, Adayes, Aday, Adaes, Adae, Caddo, Cadeaux, or the Caddo Confederacy. Please read WP:SYNTH. Thank you, Yuchitown (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are wrong. They did meet the same tribe. Just as Desoto met the Tunica, which are the same Tunica Biloxi tribe today. Just as the Cherokee tribe before the trail of tears is the same Cherokee tribe today. Just as the Mohawk are the same tribe before US Independence and today. What are you saying? That just because their mailing address, legal status or recognition changes, they change as a tribe or become a new tribe? Please explain how you believe the tribe is not the same tribe and how the State of Louisiana, Indian Affairs Commission, IRS, and everyone has it wrong but you have it right. AvoyellesCajun (talk) 22:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That National Park Service says they are the same tribe. Check out the NPS park at the Los Adaes site. If they are different tribes, cite your source. AvoyellesCajun (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying that the 20th-century "Adai Caddo Indians of Louisiana," a state-recognized tribe that incorporated as a nonprofit in 1993 are not descendants of historical Adai (I'm not saying they are either. Some individuals within this group may be and others not), but these two entities are not the same political entity. The IRS is saying the ACIL group is a nonprofit; the Louisiana Indian Affairs Commission is saying the ACIL is a state-recognized tribe.

The tribes you mentioned above are not the exact same tribe in the 16th century. The Tunica-Biloxi Indian Tribe is an amalgamation of descendants from several historical tribes; the Cherokees split into three tribes; the Mohawk are split between multiple US tribes and Canadian First Nations. Importantly, these tribes can account for all the years between their historical predecessors to the present.

The NPS's "Los Adaes State Historic Site" doesn't mention this organization. On Wikipedia, content needs to reflect what can be cited. Everything else is wp:original research or wp:opinion. Sources aren't needed to remove a claim; they must be cited to support content added. Yuchitown (talk) 15:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown


 * Overwhelmingly the published literature about the Adai people state they merged into the greater Caddo people. "The Caddo tribe absorbed the surviving remnants of several of the other tribes of the Caddoan confederacy, among them the Adai, the Anadarko, Eyeish, etc." (Thoburn and Holcomb 234). "In 1825 an Adai informant of Schoolcraft (1853, vol. 3, p. 585) gives the total Adai population as 27, and they are now entirely merged with the other Caddo. ... Although the tribal name is remembered, the tribe itself is now wholly merged with the peoples which go under the name of 'Caddo.'" (Swanton 22) To make a counterclaim would require extensive documentation and would need to be independently published, not here (see wp:original research). Yuchitown (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Adai are part of the Caddo Confederacy. That is different than the Caddo tribe. You are arguing with State Legislation that has been in place for decades. The State of Louisiana, District Courts, Natchitoches Parish, the Governor's Office, the Indian Affairs Commission, the IRS, the Lousiana Secretary of State, the Louisiana Dept of Revenue, and other government agencies all disagree with you. These sources are cited in the article. The Adai Caddo Indian Nation is legally the Adai tribe, the Adai Nation, are by law consist of the Adai people. You are arguing with yourself. Read the legislation. It specifically states the opposite of your claims. If you don't like it, run for Congress, write a bill, and get is passed and put into law. 47.189.34.40 (talk) 19:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are editing while signed out. Yuchitown (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)