Talk:Adam Weishaupt/Archive 1

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The material added by User:Botanic empire was plagiarized from this article by Joseph Trainor. Visit Trainor's web site, ufoinfo.com, and judge for yourself the credibility of the source. Yes, as in U.F.O. This "[Reader's] Digest-style" biography is full of nonsense and is laced with anti-Semitic innuendo. Wikipedia's No original research rule applies to Joseph Trainor's original research as well, so if you want any of User:Botanic empire's additions to be kept, please give a credible source and put it in your own words. ___Jimaingram 16:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimaingram (talk • contribs)


 * Based on Wikipedia's rules on reliable sources, verifiability, and no original research, I have deleted the additions made by User:Botanic empire on July 7. Jimaingram 00:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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Weishaupt the Jew is an anti-Semitic myth. Weishaupt has to be made into a Jew to integrate the "Illuminati conspiracy" myth into the older anti-Semitic myth of "Jewish World Domination". THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ADAM WEISHAUPT WAS JEWISH. Show me a baptismal record or a primary source that the Weishaupt family converted from Judaism. Show me a credible secondary source. None exist. The addition:

When he was a baby, his parents, who had been Orthodox Jews, converted to the Roman Catholic Church.

is baseless. The footnote links to an Evangelical Christian site. The "source" (cf. reliable sources) is a anti-Semitic diatribe by a John S. Torell that begins "...the Russian revolution was in reality a Jewish Zionist takeover of Russia." Please! Wikipedia's No original research rule applies to John S. Torell's original research as well. Provide a reliable source or this will be deleted .Jimaingram 17:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and deleted it. I've never seen that claim made anywhere else before.  Torrell is not a reliable source, and he provided no source for his claim. Шизомби (talk) 17:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Jimaingram 19:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

misc
He is mentioned in some rap song from some rapper nobody knows? Please remove this shit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.153.105.84 (talk • contribs) 2007-08-16T09:25:30

You've never heard of El-P? Is this your first time on the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.231.78 (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [holds hand up to say I've never heard of El-P either] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.125.84.185 (talk) 19:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Some rumors say, that Weishaupt emigrated into the United States and replaced the first President George Washington.

I took this out of the article as it was placed by an unnamed user has anyone ever heard of this rumor before ?Smith03 23:50, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * I have heard the rumor before, but only in books by professional legpullers like Robert Anton Wilson. It is not impossible that he heard it from a source that was circulating the tale as fact.  Besides, everybody knows that it was really Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart who emigrated to the USA and replaced Washington. --- IHCOYC 23:54, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks people think we should put it back in or leave out ? I don't care one way or the other Smith03 23:57, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Leave it out; it's likely a joke. -- IHCOYC 16:54, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * He actually does look strikingly similar to George Washington, probably just a coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.217.93 (talk • contribs) 2005-09-30T05:32:00

It is also rumored that "President" Weishaupt kept Washington's head in a large jar and consulted with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman (talk • contribs) 2004-09-25T23:19:40

The date of Weishaupts death is probably wrong. I have some sources, that say Adam Weishaupt died 18. Nov 1830 in Gotha. mailto:helmstreit@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.180.149.139 (talk • contribs) 2003-10-30T07:48:58

where you found the information that this very young organization (at that time) had a network of "spies and counter-spies"? Pure nonsense IMHO. Pls show some proof. Or do you want to continue Barruel´s hobby? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.103.48 (talk • contribs) 2004-03-08T06:21:28

The history of this man seems to be muddled, does anyone have any primary sources on just who he and his organization was? I decided to look him up online and it seems to show a myriad of inane information... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voltaires left eye (talk • contribs) 2004-06-04T19:32:14 ---

His life is well documented in the Catholic Encyclopedia. And has been for 200 or so years. The Wikipedia doesn't depart to far from it, although there are some striking differences in the manner of presentation.

On the whole, this is one of the rare and few sources of good info about both he and Illuminism.

Rob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.240.35 (talk • contribs) 2004-09-25T14:22:46

I have a copy of the writings of Thomas Jefferson put out by the Library of Congress. The quotes attributed to Jefferson appear in this book. He actually writes a page or two describing Adam Wishaupt[sic] and his philosophy, though he admits most of what he knows is from reading a book of Abbe Barruel. Still, he manages to present Wishaupt in a nice way and writes some very interesting comments. ~Lije —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.208.248.169 (talk • contribs) 2004-11-25T19:28:59


 * The full text of Jefferson's letter can be found here: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/jefferson.html --24.58.3.248 (talk) 03:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

date of death
In the Catholic Encyclopedia at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07661b.htm you find:

"... he died on 18 November, 1830, "reconciled with the Catholic Church, which, as a youthful professor, he had doomed to death and destruction"--as the chronicle  of the Catholic parish in Gotha relates."

I think this has to be taken serious.

Herbert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.176.57.221 (talk • contribs) 2004-11-11T19:10:40
 * The German Wikipedia site also has 1830, although a user questions that on the talk page. It would be good to nail it down with some citations - nineteen years is a big difference.  Is his grave site known? Schizombie 07:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Question.
Am I the only one who thinks that this article is shaped like a blatantly anti-Semitic Jewish conspiracy page? It doesn't even resemble an encyclopedia article. It's not even based on Adam Weishaupt, all I see are a load of nonsensical ramblings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IguanarayD (talk • contribs) 2006-05-10T19:45:08
 * It may have been a cut and paste job from somewhere else, but I didn't do a search on the text that had been added, since I agree it has no place in the article. I've reverted to the last version prior to the recent additions by 86.3.0.251 to the last version by YurikBot.  If there's a case to be made for adding all that stuff, let's hear it here first. Шизомби 20:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is in fact an uncredited cut & paste job from http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm 86.3.0.251, please stop adding it to the article. Шизомби 20:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

AISB Founder
Someone should put somewhere he is the founder official founder of the Bavarian Illuminati. So sources someone should ask on this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.208.78.62 (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Another Site mentioning him is wwwilluminatiorder.info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.48.74.68 (talk • contribs) 2007-04-30T02:44:40

Template:Philosophy
The task forces for this article are unclear to me; I've added just WikiProject_Philosophy/Modern.--Oneiros 18:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad choice of phrase
"sweeping away nations"

This would probably be better formulated as "sweeping away principalities" as the modern concept of a nation barely existed at the time Weishaupt formed the Illuminati. The phrase is especially odd in its current usage as it is followed by a reference to the French Revolution, implying that the ideas of the French Revolution aimed to sweep away nations. In fact it was the French Revolution which gave the main impetus to the growth of nationalism as a popular concept. The Wiki pages of "Nationalism" and "Principality" better reflect these facts than does the Wieshaupt page. I'd suggest replacing the passage about "sweeping away nations" with "sweeping away feudal principalities" as a more accurate reflection of the ideas which Weishaupt was arguing in his time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.10 (talk) 11:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)