Talk:Adam and the Ants/Archive 1

Comeback
I could look into doing this myself, of course, but I figure I may as well leave the suggestion since I don't have the time right now: Adam Ant's pseudo-comeback in the 1990s, with the album Manners and Physique, might be worth covering. - David Spitzley


 * Already covered on Adam Ant. TheMadBaron 01:20, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Beginning cleanup
Lots of info belongs (and is already in) Adam Ant.

Also, there are inaccuracies and timeline issues. Gary Tibbs recorded Prince Charming and toured afterwards as well. Ant Rap predated Duck Rock, etc.

I'm going to be bold and take a cut at cleaning this up. Any/all feedback is welcome. Econrad 22:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ants albums, from Adam Ant
Info already on main page, will integrate additional info where useful.Econrad 00:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Dirk Wears White Sox - released October 1979, re-issued with bonus tracks 2004 (UK #16)
 * Kings of the Wild Frontier - released October 1980, re-issued with bonus tracks 2004 (UK #1)
 * Prince Charming - released October 1981, re-issued with bonus tracks 2004 (UK #2)

Remastered CDs - released 2004 and 2005 - all with bonus tracks / demos - previously unreleased material

 * Dirk Wears White Sox - Remastered
 * Kings of the Wild Frontier - Remastered
 * Prince Charming - Remastered

Merrick
Under "Kings of the wild frontier" the link under "Merrick" has a mistake. How can Merrick be "born" in 1983 if he was part of Adam and the Ants in 1981! Need to be checked (1) is this the real chris hughes of adam and the ants and (2) if it is can someone find his proper date of birth?


 * Different Chris Hughes. The Chris Hughes page should itself be a disambiguation page, IMO: the Ant's Chris Hughes is arguably more well known that the "Facebook" Chris Hughes.  I will change the link to Chris Hughes (disambiguation) for now; the disambiguation page should probably be moved.  Econrad 02:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Discog
Added the b sides to the singles in the table and the BBC Sessions to the albums table. Steveant 15:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Vegan
This band is on the "Vegan Bands" list, but no mention of them being Vegan is listed in the article. Vampus 17:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Singles info from Adam Ant
I'm parking this here for the time being; the table on this page and this information needs to be merged.

ADAM AND THE ANTS


 * "Young Parisians" / "Lady" - Decca single - released 1978
 * "Zerox" / "Whip in my Valise" - Do It single - released 1979
 * "Cartrouble"/ "Kick!" - Do It Single - released 1980
 * "Kings of the Wild Frontier" / "Press Darlings" - CBS single- released 1980
 * "Dog Eat Dog"/ "Physical (You're so)" - CBS single- released 1980
 * "Antmusic"/ "Fall In" - CBS single- released 1980
 * "Stand and Deliver" / "Beat My Guest" - CBS single- released 1981
 * "Prince Charming" / "Christian D'or" - CBS single - released 1981
 * "Antrap" / "Friends" - CBS single- released 1981
 * "Friends EP" ("Friends" / "Kick" / "Physical") - Do it single- released 1982
 * Antmusic EP ("Cartrouble 1 and 2 remix" / "Friends" / "kick" / "Physical") - extended play - released 1982
 * "Deutscher Girls" / "Plastic Surgery" - EG records single - released 1982

No mention of the band's best song and possibly best video Desperate But Not Serious????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.146.159 (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Early recordings
This Ants page goes from bad to worse! Lester Square was with the Ants for about 3 days in 1977, he was a member of the B Sides before Adam became "Adam" and started the Ants. Lester isn't on any recording, and he went off to finish his Art degree THEN formed Monochrome Set. Andy Warren joined MS in 1979, after recording Dirk with the Ants.

Steveant (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Name
Would the name Adam Ant be a play on the word "adamant"? 67.188.172.165 23:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

No!

Steveant (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Lester Square/ early Ants
The Ants eventually formed in early 1977 consisting of Lester Square (guitar), Andy Warren (bass guitar) and Paul Flanagan (drums). Lester Square left to finish Art school and to later from The Monochrome Set just before the Ants played their first gig on May 5, 1977, at Muswell Hill.[1]. Mark Ryan replaced him on guitar and played the first gigs and recorded 'Plastic Surgery' (along with a few other unreleased demos) until he was replaced by Johnny Bivouac in October 1977. [2]

I posted this part. This page (http://www.hiljaiset.sci.fi/punknet/ants_e.htm) is wrong.

Steveant (talk) 05:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Major Cleanup Needed
This article needs a major cleanup, sources, pictures, audio clips, renaming sub titles ect, ect. Sadly I don't have the time myself as I'm a hard working school student. If anyone is interested please take care of the issue, still retain old sentences but add more info (but it has to have proper sources). Please help, this is an article which should get alot ore work on, as it could become a great one! Please, please someone help cleanup the article. Dirtyharry1994 (talk) 03:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I will endeavor to do a lot of work on this as I agree it really has potential. I have a lot of sources to work from as well. Red Gown 00:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Gown (talk • contribs)

As part of this can we merge the 'Members' and 'Former Members' headings in the Info box at the top? As the group has not existed for many years surely all of them are now 'former members'? Peteinterpol (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Videos
Lavish videos were produced for the Prince Charming singles, including Stand and Deliver, Prince Charming, and Antrap. In the Stand and Deliver video, Adam Ant is dressed as a "dandy highwayman" and generally indulges his exhibitionist tendencies.

Isn't that just opinion? many MANY fans would disagree! Adam and the Ants helped MTV to launch and made some of the most innovative Videos ever to be made. Adam storyboarded them all himself. I'd say Duran Duran videos are far worse and show off-y!

Steve —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveHorwood (talk • contribs) 11:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * PS. Well, "Steve"...you are criticising the person who wrote his own "opinion" but then you go and do exactly the same thing yourself by giving a subjective opinion on Duran Duran videos.... "far worse and show off-y".
 * Hmm... did someone say " duuhhh" ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bibi999 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

"The band seized the opportunities provided by music videos on the new MTV channel to develop a theatrical, charismatic on-screen persona" How can this be given that the bands video output predates MTV with the exception of a single video, presumably the videos were made for their home market? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.77.241 (talk) 03:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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Reasons for band's break-up
This article has quite a bit of information on why the band broke up. Was not one of the reasons that some members of the band (it might have been Adam Ant himself) did not wish to go touring any more? Vorbee (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Adam and the Ants 1981.jpg
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-- Marchjuly (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Peacock Punk
It could be mentioned in this article that Adam and the Ants were sometimes known as a peacock punk band. Vorbee (talk) 17:39, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Incident at the Children's Royal Variety Performance 1981
I believe Kevin Mooney was sacked when during their spot at something called the Children's Royal Variety Performance in 1981 (in front of The Queen I believe) he started to act like The Who and smash his bass guitar - immediately afterwards he either left the band or was sacked (he was of Irish descent and Anglo-Irish relations were extremely fractious at the time due to the Hunger Strikers etc and as I say it was in front of The Queen - he may have been motivated by that - or something else).
 * It was in front of Princess Margaret. He was sacked for swinging the bass around then dropping it on the floor.  No one, least of all Kevin, has ever suggested it was anything to do with Kevin being Irish.2.24.71.91 (talk) 01:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022
This is a quick note on the edits that I have done to the this page of the period July - October 2022. What I have done is mostly added sources, done some rephrasing and reorganising as to try and create a chronological overview. For this I have used the following sources:


 * The Q Book of Punk Legends (taken from the Guinness Book of Rock Stars
 * Rock: The Rough Guide (1st edition)
 * The Rolling Stone album guide
 * Assorted articles

I mostly used the Official UK chart for references. The concert tours proved problematic. I did have an article from the NME reprinted in NME Originals 80s that was useful. I also found an interesting article from the Washington Post about the US tour. @Romomusicfan thanks for your comment on my talk page. The main reason why I moved the tours into the text was the lack of references - which do feature in the examples that you mention.

I will ping a number of editors to check what I have done.

@Derek R Bullamore - to review my edits as I trust his judgement

@Ss112 - who knows much more about charts then I do

@ErnestKrause - to see of this article is suitable for review

@Binksternet - if there any further US sources here to be added.

Please ping me here if you have any further questions, as this concludes my contribution here for the moment.

Karst (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Others worked on the article in that same time frame. An IP editor from Birmingham removed the cited criticism about being a "joke band". What are you thoughts about that paragraph removed from the Legacy section? Binksternet (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was the IP editor in question, I am now logged in.
 * Another editor some time back insisted on including it. Although the author of the quote, Simon Price is undoubtedly an Ant fan, I strongly disagree with the idea that his fellow music journalists constituted the "punk cognoscenti".  Burchill and Parsons and Morley were not cognoscent about anything to do with punk, they were just music journalists.  The actual congnoscenti from both the first two waves of punk treated Adam with respect - he himself was very much part of the inner circle of the first wave and, until his commercial breakthrough, he was a major hero to the second wave. Romomusicfan (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine and dandy, but converting that into text will, of course, need reliable sources, not personal opinions. On a separate note, I have tidied the referencing and wording within the article, but do not intend to spend further time on this. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just eliminating that quote was enough to resolve the problem. Romomusicfan (talk) 13:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)