Talk:Adeline Knapp

Corrections and clarifications about Knapp's anti-suffragism
The following statements are problematic and should be revised after an opportunity for consideration by the editors. Please note that the problems noted also pertain to the later section on Knapp's anti-suffrage activities, where this passage is repeated verbatim.

"She spoke before the United States House of Representatives during hearings addressing her concerns,[2] as well as before the Senate and Assembly Judiciary Committee of the New York State Legislature.[3]"

The first statement appears to be incorrect: source [2] only shows that in 1912, three years after her death, she was listed as one of many "notable persons who have remonstrated against woman suffrage." The second statement should be re-sourced see information to be added below.

"She was closely aligned with the New York State Association Opposed to the Extension of Suffrage to Women, the publishers of much of her literature and pamphlets opposing women's suffrage.[4]"

The phrase "closely aligned" suggests that Knapp was an active member of this association. However, according to the source cited in note [31] which lists the membership of the society in 1908, she was apparently not a member. Suggest changing to "Knapp's views were publicized by ..."

Additionally, the phrase "publishers of much of her literature and pamphlets opposing women's suffrage" is inadequately supported: only one source, a reprint of uncertain date of Knapp's 1899 "Open Letter to Mrs. Carrie Chapman Catt" (cited in note [1]). As far as I can find, the Association published two pamphlets by Knapp, this and "Do Working Women Need the Ballot?" cited in note [4]. The link in [4] though not entirely unhelpful, is mis-characterized as "Pamphlets, leaflets, broadsides of Adeline Knapp": only one of this collection of 26 unrelated items appears to be by Knapp. I would suggest that a proper bibliographical citation, even undated and unlinked, would be preferable here.

Adeline Knapp not the sister of Charles Knapp (scholar)
I removed statements presenting the subject of this article, Adeline Knapp, as the sister of Charles Knapp (scholar). I was flagged to this information after researching Adeline's life and her family in Buffalo, New York. I went over to the Charles Knapp article and it mentioned that he was born in Manhattan. This puzzled me, since the family lived in Buffalo. I went to verify this information and found government documents including census records, passport application, and his marriage record that did not coincide with the information previously discovered about Adeline.

I realize that there have been statements made regarding a book dedication that support claims that Charles and Adeline were brother and sister. However, this is not sufficient documentation to support that the subject of this article, Adeline Knapp, was in fact, his biological sister. There may have even been two women with this same name.


 * His Aeneid of Virgil (1900) has the dedication "To my sister, Miss Adeline Knapp, AB, I am under especial obligations for valuable help in all parts of the book."

Verification of reliable sources reveal that:


 * Adeline was the daughter of Lyman and Adeline Knapp.
 * Charles Knapp was the son of Michael and Mary J. Knapp.

Birth Record
Register Of Births, Manhattan, New York, New York 22 JUN 1868

He was born on 22 June 1868 in Manhattan, New York father: Michel Knapp; mother: Mary Josephine Knapp

Death Notice
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3468301141.html

Charles Knapp, 67, philologist and classical scholar at Barnard College, 17 September 1936

Passport Application
Passport Applications, 1795-1905; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M1372,

694 rolls, Record #85439); General Records of the Department of State, Record Group 59;

National Archives, Washington, D.C.

Date application issued 21 Apr 1904

Charles Knapp

born 22 Jun 1868 in New York City, New York

Occupation: Professor at Columbia University

Address: 1773 Sedgwick Ave. NYC

Father: deceased

1870 Census New York City
Year: 1870; Census Place: New York Ward 17 District 20, New York, New York; Roll M593_999; Page: 183B; Image: 368; Family History Library Film: 552498.

Michael Knapp (father) - iron moulder - born 1845 in Germany

Mary Knapp (wife) - keeping house - born 1848 in New York

Charles Knapp (son) - at home - born 1868 in New York

William Knapp (son) - at home - born 1870 in New York

(Note: Adeline was born in 1860. If this was her family, her mother would have given birth at 12 years old.)

1880 Census New York City
Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New York, New York;

Roll 885; Family History Film: 1254885; Page: 121A; Enumeration District: 381; Image: 0245.

Michael Knapp (father) - iron moulder - born 1845 in Germany

Mary J. Knapp (wife) - keeping house - born 1848 in New York

Charles Knapp (son) - at school - born 1868 in New York

William Knapp (son) - at school - born 1870 in New York

George F. Knapp (son) - at home - born 1873 in New York

John E. Knapp (son) - at home - born 1875 in New York

Julia M. Knapp (daughter) - at home - born 1879 in New York

Marriage Record
Marriage Registers, Extracts from Manhattan (1869-1880) and Brooklyn (1895-1897).

Marriage Id. 45 0003179. Cert. # 6877. Pub. Dept. of Health, Division of Vital Statistics,

New York.

Groom: 	Charles Knapp

Bride: 	Therese I. Shaw

Marriage Date: 	1889

Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York

1900 Census Bronx, New York
Year: 1900; Census Place: Bronx, New York, New York;

Roll T623_1126; Page: 21A; Enumeration District: 1030.

Charles Knapp (head) - teacher - born June 1868 in New York (father born in Germany)

Therese I Knapp (wife) - at home - born Oct 1864 in New York

Charles M Knapp (son) - at home - born Sep 1892 in New York

David Shaw (father in law) - at home - born May 1823 in New York

Elizabeth Shaw (mother in law) - at home - born Mar 1837 in New York

Edward M Shaw (cousin) - compositor - born Sep 1838 in New York

Walter M Shaw (boarder) - porter - born Jan 1874 in New York

Fred S Kemper (nephew) - law clerk - born Oct 1872 in New York (widowed)

Clara T Kemper (niece) - at home - born Aug 1877 in New York

Florence Kemper (niece) - at home - born Sep 1885 in New York

Grace Kemper (niece) - at home - born Oct 1894 in New York

1910 Census Bronx, New York
Year: 1910; Census Place: Bronx Assembly District 35, New York, New York;

Roll T624_1003; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 1615; Image: 355.

Charles Knapp (head) - Prof at Columbia - born June 1868 in New York (father born in Germany)

Therese I Knapp (wife) - at home - born Oct 1864 in New York

Charles M Knapp (son) - at home - born Sep 1892 in New York

David Shaw (father in law) - own income - born May 1823 in New York (widowed)

Grace Kemper (niece) - at home - born Oct 1894 in New York

Isabelle A Rayal (cousin) - at home - born 1861 in New York

1930 Census Bronx, New York
Year: 1930; Census Place: Bronx, Bronx, New York;

Roll 1486; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 591; Image: 103.0.

Charles Knapp (head) - widowed - college teacher - born 1868 in New York

Mary J. Knapp (mother) - widowed - no occupation - born 1848 in New York

Mary A. Knapp (sister) - public school teacher - born 1883 in New York

Dorothy Knapp (niece) - public school teacher - born 1906 in New York