Talk:Adelphikos/Archive 1

"The First"
There cannot be two "firsts." I believe I have given ample evidence that, since Pan Sophic was founded as a fraternity, and two years before Adelphikos, Pan Sophic deserves that title. Unless you are willing to prove that Adelphikos, and not Pan Sophic, is the true originator of G.C.C.'s Greek system (which of course would be an affront on the men who ran Pan Sophic underground for two years), I request that you refrain from making such reputable claims. There is nothing wrong with being founded in 1913, and if you want, we do not have to make such a big deal out of who came first. Personally, I would prefer the title "best" over "first." Yet it is a disservice to the online community to put forth blatantly contradictory and misleading information, won't you agree?


 * You're very right. There cannot be two firsts.  As a social organization, the Pan Sophic Club was founded before the Adelphikos fraternity.  However, the Adelphiko were founded as a fraternity before the Pan Sophic was made into one.  That's what all the yearbooks say.
 * As to making such "reputable claims", I would point to the fact that there is no publicly available "reputable" evidence that the Pans were founded as a fraternity before Adelphikos. Instead of trying to say that the Pans were the first fraternity, maybe you should focus on their unique history both as a social organization and a bachelor's club.  I will edit the article to reflect this information.  --Alphachimp 17:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Methinks you should check your yearbooks again.
 * Please sign your comments. Thank you.  --Alphachimp 17:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Technically, the Adels were the first "fraternity" at GCC. The demise of the Adels and their spiral into a group of block-classers was the inevitable result of a virtual witch hunt by an overzealous school official.  How long can a fraternity survive underground without its charter?  After a certain number of years, it becomes impossible.  Whilst it appears that things have loosened up a little biy as of late, the fall of Adels is the tragic result of an overly burdensome punishment that lasted for years and brought down the fraternity.  --Colonist

Cleanup
I think this article needs a little bit of work. The introductory paragraph is fairly sparse and somewhat redundant. Listing the founding members seems like a good idea, but Wikipedia generally frowns on listing current members of relatively unknown organizations. (Because it borders on WP's ban on vanity articles.) I don't know enough about the Adels to feel comfortable editing the article myself, but those are just some of my thoughts on what could be done. Maybe you could add some content concerning the Adels' current goals and activities. --Nothlit 02:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree on the current officers. I'm not sure who added them, but they will be removed.  I'm not entirely sure that I want to go beyond that in listing information about the Adelphikos.  I sort of prefer less information to be available as opposed to more.  --Alphachimp 17:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
There seem to be a few POV issues in this article.

"The fraternity began struggling in the late 1970s, committing many violations of campus rules which resulted in the revocation of their charter during the 1990s." - This sentence, particularly the use of the word "struggling", sounds like a biased statement that is mostly opinion-based. Perhaps the the mention of some key events leading up to the fraternity's demise could help make the article more factual. See WP:NPOV.

"Its current members are seeking to preserve the history and tradition of the fraternity with a conscious effort to learn from both tradition and previous members while staying true to a Christian framework." - This whole statement is troublesome, since it has to do with motives and it would be extremely difficult to support with any verifiable facts. It should be changed to a direct citation of the fraternity's mission statement, or just removed altogether.

I am adding a POV tag to the article to bring awareness to this issue and encourage discussion. 72.23.224.61 (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Christian Fraternity
Unless the charter has been modified in the past few years, the Adelphikos fraternity never was a christian fraternity. It is a social fraternity.


 * I don't know the specifics of this fraternity, but you can be a Social Fraternity and a Christian/Jewish/etc Fraternity. They are not mutually exclusive.  Jr ss r5  17:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The Adelphikos were originally a very Christian fraternity - eight of the ten original members went on to seminary. In the mid-period of its existence the Christian emphasis was largely abandoned, but it has been resurrected and revitalized in the past decade. It is definitely a Christian fraternity today - this is made clear in the current constitution. 72.23.224.17 (talk) 04:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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