Talk:Adi Granth

POV tag
I added the pov tag due to phrases like...
 * What amount of planning, minute attention to detail and went into this work is slurred over.
 * with a view to preserving them from garbling by schismatic groups and other
 * It was like Panchbati itself, peaceful and picturesque. A tent was hoisted in this idyllic setting. Here Guru Arjan and Bhai Gurdas started work on the sacred volume.
 * carried out the work with extraordinary exactness
 * A genius, unique in spiritual insight and not unconcerned with methodological design, had created a scripture with an exalted mystical tone and a high degree of organization.

However impressive the tome is, this clearly isn't a neutral presentation of it.

The rest of the article is frighteningly essay-like, but being unfamiliar with the subject as I am, I would rather someone else make the necessary changes. A Sikh, for example. Hopefully one who can add references too. Pascal (talk) 07:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Guru Granth Sahib Vs. Adi Granth
I posted this on the Guru Granth Sahib page, but since nobody answered, I put it here...

I am not very familiar with sikhism, but from what I read in Wikipedia I see no real difference between these two designations. I read in the Talk page of Guru Granth Sahib that Adi Granth is an early recension of the Guru Granth Sahib, but on the article page (and here in Adi Granth, Sikh scriptures and Sikh gurus) both names are treated as synonyms, with the only difference that I can see on these pages being that Guru Granth Sahib is a title (the status of living Guru) bestowed upon the Adi Granth. But, are there two different sets of texts? Is Adi Granth an "historical" term only? Is Adi Granth just a part of Guru Granth Sahib? Do sikhs call their scripture "Adi Granth" or not? Is it worthy to mention them separately, as if they were really two different texts, or is it enough to say that the Adi Granth had a first version by the Fifth Guru, and a later addition by the Tenth Guru, but it's still the Adi Granth, also called Guru Granth Sahib since it was considered the living Guru?

Please, again excuse my ignorance on the subject. I would very much appreciate clarification on these issues, and to see that clarification included on the respective pages, since, as it is now, I don't see the specific need of having three different pages (Adi Granth, Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh scriptures) on this subject. To me it is more confusing than illuminating. --Nazroon (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The Encyclopaedia of Sikhism, in the section on the Gurū Granth Sāhib, contains the statement "The Gurū Granth Sāhib-- some of the variations on the title being Ādi Granth, Srī Ādi Granth or Ādi Srī Gurū Granth Sāhib--- is today the living Gurū for the Sikhs." So it is an alternative title, not a different set of texts. Apuldram (talk) 15:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It does seem strange and confusing that there are two different articles on the same subject. One answer might be to incorporate this article into Guru Granth Sahib and delete it here, but that would take a great deal of courage. Another might be to focus here on some aspect that isn't covered in the Guru Granth Sahib article.  Has anyone any ideas? Apuldram (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I am a Sikh and The Adi Granth and Guru Granth Sahib are different because the Guru Granth Sahib has Guru Tegh Bahadur's Bani in it wheras the Adi Granth does not therefor the Adi Granth cannot be considered the Guru Granth Sahib. Please remove the tag after reading this. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 16:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The article lead section contains the statement "Then in 1708, before his death, Guru Gobind Singh affirmed the Adi Granth as the perpetual Guru of the Sikhs and the Granth then became known as the Sri Guru Granth Sahib." That indicates that the difference in name shows the respect given to the book rather than a difference in content.
 * The entry 'Adi Granth' in the Encyclopedia of Sikhism reads "ĀDI GRANTH, See SRĪ GURŪ GRANTH SĀHIB" which suggests that the Sikh scholars don't recognise a significant difference between the two. Apuldram (talk) 19:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I changed the article to clear up the confusion ie. Guru Gobind Singh added the hymns of his father, Guru Tegh Bahadur, to the Aid Granth. After his death, this new version became known as the Guru Granth Sahib. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 21:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * According to all the sources on the topic I'm reading, the names Adi Granth and Guru Granth Sahib are interchangeable.
 * Sources:


 * Sikh Religion. Detroit, MI: Sikh Missionary Center, 1991.
 * Jakobsh, Doris R. Sikhism (dimensions of Asian Spirituality). Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 2011.
 * McLeod, W. H. Sikhs and Sikhism Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004
 * Mittal, Sushil, and Gene Thursby, eds. Religions of South Asia: an Introduction. London: Routledge, 2006.
 * Singh, Pashaura. Sikhism in Global Context. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2012.
 * Singh, Daljeet. The Sikh ideology. New Delhi: Guru Nanak Foundation, 1984.
 * I am therefore redirecting this article to Guru Granth Sahib. Bastique ☎ call me! 04:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Addendum. Even if there is a distinction between the two in some Sikh groups, both topics can easily be covered by the one article. There is absolutely no need to have two articles on this topic. Bastique ☎ call me! 04:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)