Talk:Administration (British football)

Useful background and research I found
This ( PDF) of work by John Beech is entitled "THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUBS BECOME INSOLVENT" and states that 56 clubs became insolvent with 68 cases (to June 2008) since 1986. There is also lots of information about key financial events that could help really build this article. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  11:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Middlesbrough and Charlton
Did these clubs enter administration per se? The current rules were only introduced under the 1986 Insolvency Act; I suspect that they would have been governed by the previous insolvency laws. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Administration (British football) → Administration (United Kingdom Sports Teams) – Although this article contains mostly football it also contains some rugby so I think it would be better if it had the word sports teams instead. C. 22468   Talk to me  20:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose, article is primarily about football. Suggested target is unclear. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The article may be primarily about football, but it isn't exclusively.  Rugby teams are mentioned and listed, and the opening paragraph refers to sports teams, not football teams.  It might also be expanded at some date to include basketball teams and ice hockey teams.  However, if it is moved, it should be to Administration (United Kingdom sports teams), correcting the proposer's capitalisation.  Alternatively, to Administration (British sports teams).  Skinsmoke (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the article is about football. Other than the first sentence, all of the prose directly refers to football. Surely the best way forward is to keep at existing article and have an "Administration in other British sports" section. Oh somebody already did that. So, no action required. - Cloudz 679 22:44, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the title should be bracketed either way, as that suggests this is a separate thing from Administration (law). Maybe something like Administration in British football? 81.142.107.230 (talk) 10:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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Premise of this article
Clearly it seems to be a premise of this article - as is orthodox - that even if a football club goes down the "Newco" route, then it is classed as having "exited administration" as long as it retains its identity in the football sense, if not clearly the corporate sense. On this basis I corrected the Rangers entry to remove "dissolved" (even the old company has not met this fate, yet) as the situation is clearly a newco one, not one where the football club as a sporting entity has ended. Gefetane (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Rangers did not exit Administration but were liquidated.
The section titled 'Scotland' correctly states that HMRC rejected a CVA and Rangers entered liquidation on 14 June 2012, however the table inaccurately states that the club exited administration. Can this please be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.244.207 (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Liquidation is a (sub-optimal) way of "exiting" administration. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Coventry

 * They're still in admin?Muur (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Do Bury count?
They're in "insolvency" and have been docked 12 points.Muur (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think they were put into administration. The owner wants to sell and did a deal to reduce their debts with the creditors (the CVA). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe a section needs to be added to this article (ie: Administration (British football)) about CVA situations, particularly as they are treated by the EFL as insolvency events and carry the same points deduction penalty? Paul W (talk) 13:00, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Added. Paul W (talk) 13:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Bury have filed a CVA, why aren't they on the list? Jayflux (talk)

Fate of football club's former corporate identity
Many of the football clubs detailed in these lists have exited administration with a new corporate identity, where a new company purchases the business and assets from the old company, which is then liquidated and/or dissolved. One editor is insistent that in one case, that of Rangers FC, this detail of the old company's fate is entered in the "Exited Administration" column. Should this new precedent apply to the dozens of others clubs for which these circumstances pertained? A few examples:  Is this information about the former company relevant? Should it be contained in a new/separate column? A format change, although minor, should probably be discussed/agreed before hand rather than imposed on one example and not applied consistently across the page. Gefetane (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Leeds United Oldco dissolved - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00170600 
 * Wigan Athletic Oldco in liquidation - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00270043 
 * Bolton Wanders Oldco in liquidation - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00043026 
 * Rotherham Oldco dissolved - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00158654 
 * Coventry City oldco dissolved - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00094305 


 * Excuse me, but it is "one editor" (you) who has insisted upon removing sourced content regarding Rangers and has accused me of not editing in good faith ("No, and we both know why. Quite sad from an experienced wiki editor."). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I hope you would agree the best solution is to try and update the "old company in liquidation" status for all the clubs for which that applies, not just the one that you chose. I've made a start already. Gefetane (talk) 07:32, 25 September 2021 (UTC)