Talk:Adria (Stargate)

Spelling
The spelling of "Orisi" was printed in the August 2006 issue of SciFi Magazine (The official Magazine of the SciFi Channel). SciFi Magazine, "TV in Focus" Stargate SG-1, Page 18, August, 2006. This may be more reliable then GateWorld. Morphh 13:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Alex Levine, SG script coordinator, uses Orici in his blog entry at SciFi.com . – Pedantic79(talk) 16:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * GW uses Orici and they are pretty reliable. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 16:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * i still say orici...think about it... what does a doci do?... and adria is basically a doci... except with the knowledge of the the ori... soo ori + doci = orici -Xornok 16:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok - I'll make changes to other articles that use this name. Morphh 16:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Latin
it is my option to delete my contributions to this article as they seem to be undesirable.89.32.1.82 19:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No its not. Read the text below the box "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." ;-) Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 19:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, then i will further enhance my contribution. After all, i doubt any of you have a clue about latin phrases.89.32.1.82 19:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually i do know some latin and know people who study latin, please feel free however to enhance your contribs. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 19:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

and by the way, the actress starring Adria at the age of seven is actually older. Furthermore, weren't they been made aware of, most people wouldn't know whether the phrases are in Latin or Ancient so please stop reverting my note.89.32.1.82 20:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, thus why your it is latin is being removed. Unless you can backup this claim it shall be removed. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 20:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

in latin poetry it was an expression "tollere ad sidera voltus" used by Vergilius, Ovidius etc. It is precisely the same expression useb by the Prior. For example:

1. "velum adversa ferit, fluctusque ad sidera tollit voltus" (Virgil's Aeneid, Book 1)

2. "tollens ad sidera voltum" (Ovid, Fasti II)

3. "coelumque tueri Jussit, et erectus ad sidera tollere voltus" (Solatium Podagricorum)

In addition, words like "videri" = present infinitive passive of the verb "to see", "esset" = past subjunctive of the verb "to be", "terra" = earth, "rus" = cultivated field are certainly latin. i'd suugest you use a latin-english dictionary to check that.

And "ex uno discent omnes" is a variant form of "ab uno discent omnes", a latin quote used by Virgil in Aeneis. 89.32.1.82 20:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That is original research + In Stargate Latin is a derivative of Ancient and thus they are are likely speaking "Ancient/Ori" Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have been polite yet you keep readding it, it will now be considerd vandalism and you have recieved a boiler plate. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I am also being polite to tell the Prior speaks pure Latin not Ancient/Latin. Were it otherwise, the grammatical structure and vocabulary would be somewhat changed. Furthermore, you can hear for yourself the Latin words and stating that is Ancient is as absurd as saying that the phrase "who are you" belongs to a future language derived from english. The show script may regard this as Ancient taking advantage that almost no one knows this language. However, that does not mean we should alter the real fact. It is just like accepting all the show story as a reality, wouldn't u think?89.32.1.82 20:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You cant proove he speaks Latin, and it is more likely he is speaking Ancient/Ori. (Also with articles like this i look at it with a "Real World POV" IE: As if Stargate was real). Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't prove it? Let me demonstrate. Firstly do u agree that the phrases are the following: "caelum videri esset. et terra rus ad sidera tollere voltus. ex uno discent omnes"? in case you have doubts, please consult a person who knows latin quite good.


 * You may be able to proove that the phrases are also Latin, however this is counted as original research. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In real world they are ONLY latin. Regarding the add, i decide to modify it like that: "although the phrases are regarded as Ancient/Ori according to the show's storyline, they are actually Latin quotes"

Or "the show's writers have used latin phrases as Ancient/Ori sample of language" something like that.89.32.1.82 20:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do not do it or you will be reported. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

i have tried to realize a compromise but u seem to be higly unreasonable. The truth is in real world the phrase are Latin although in the show are regarded as Ancient/Ori. i strongly believe this should be mentioned.89.32.1.82 20:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a charcter bio, not a language lesson. I have been patient and fair, i have kept a calm head and i could of reported you by now for various reasons. However i will remain fair; You are new so are still learning and thus i do not wish to report you. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

however


 * However what? Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

thank you very much. an editing conflict just wiped away an entire paragraph.

The very occurence of these phrases in any article emphasizes their oddness. Undoubtedly the show writers used Latin to pose for Ancient in their show and this should be noticed regardless of the article nature.


 * Yes of course they did they borrowed alot of cultures but this is a bio not a language lesson. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 20:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not intending to turn the article into a language lesson i just want to mention the language of the phrases. it will not affect the article nature, it will just add a short clarification. After all, is not what we all want? An article as thorough as possible. If there were some aramaic phrases used in Mel Gibson's biography, because he used them sometimes or learned them etc. would you knowingly omit mentioning the language?


 * Again this is a bio, this latin/ancient thing has already been mentioned at: Ancient_%28Stargate%29 Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 21:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

alright, i'll make a special article about this phrases and i'll hyperlink them. thus i will not actually mention the language in this bio but link them to another article where some more broad-minded readers may find additional information.89.32.1.82 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

is that ok?89.32.1.82 21:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No, and for the last time: You cannot proove that what he is speaking is Latin, in the Stargate universe Latin is a derivative of Ancient. It is more liekly in the SG universe he is speaking Alterian or Ori. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 21:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i can prove and i will. I agree: in the SG Universe he may be speaking whatever alterian or ori but I am referring to REAL SOURCE. Haven't you understood that by now? And it seemed your main objection was adding the reference to Latin in a character bio. How do i alter the article by linking some words to another article? So please state your objection: are you against adding this reference in a bio or against the statement that the phrases are actually in Latin (not in SG Universe but in non-fictional world)


 * Opposed to it all together, it may translate as latin you cannot however proove it is latin. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 21:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

So you object also to the fact that in Real World it cannot be proved as Latin. Well, it's like i'm objecting to your statements being in English. I might as well consider that they can be translated as English but you cannot proove are English. How's that?


 * I never stated i was speaking English ;-) Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 21:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

shall i demonstrate it is latin indeed? i will do that on my special article about this phrases. please be reasonable.


 * I've tried being reasonable, however i will wait till you have wrote your "special article" then judge it. <font face="Tahoma"

size="1"><font color="#C11B17">Matthew <b><font color="#3366ff">Fenton ( </b> contribs <font color="#3366ff">) 21:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

the man obviuosly speaks in latin. what's your purpose in denying that?


 * The fact that it is Stargate is my purpose. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 21:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

hmm, let's see ex uno discent omnes. looks like it is quite difficult to create an article if u aren't registered. never mind. i'll make it later.

MEANWHILST

As i am accused i cannot back up the fact what the Prior says is Latin indeed, i fell compelled to delete my transalation of these phrases since i obviously based it on the fact the phrases were Latin. Consequently, until i can prove the Prior is speaking Latin actually (although IN THE STARGATE FICTIONAL UNIVERSE, which some tend to mistake it for reality, is regarded as Ancient/Ori language), the translation is presumbaly wrong and it is to be removed. Any objections will be an argument to the fact that the phrases are Latin indeed. Or maybe user Fenton will come up with an "Ancient/Ori" translation.89.32.1.82 17:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Since no objections have been made, i will remove the translation until its correctness will be widely accepted.89.32.1.82 18:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have readded part of what you removed as Tomin him self translated it. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 18:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please understand it doesn't matter if you (User:89.32.1.82) can prove that the phrases are in Latin. You are not a verifiable source, and any research you are doing on the matter is considered original research.  It appears you are new to Wikipedia, and you should read the official policy on original research at No Original Research.  If a producer, script writer, actor, or reliable third party were to specifically say that the phrases were Latin, then something could be written stating what was said. They could just as easily say that they "borrowed" Latin phrases to pose as Ancient/Ori, and the article should reflect exactly what was said.  What we do know is that the Prior is speaking some language, and Tomin translate for Vala.  We do not know if this language is Latin, Ancient/Ori, or some similar language that is derived from Ancient/Ori.  One last thing, please reread what you post and use the show preview to minimize the number of edits you need to do.  Any lost content from conflicts are lost because of you, and also please sign your comments on talk pages.  – Pedantic79(talk) 19:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Since there is no proof that Tomin translated the phrase i will remove it. Vala did not ask him "what did he say", she just said "what is it, Tomin", refering to its sudden change of attitude, so Tomin's response could be a personal phrase. Until it can be demonstrated that the Prior said in Latin what Tomin said afterwards, you cannot back up the fact that Tomin's words are a translation.89.32.1.82 19:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes i can with my tags :-) <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><font color="#C11B17">Matthew <font color="#3366ff">Fenton (  contribs <font

color="#3366ff">) 19:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The fact that Tomin words are a translation is just a personal opinion as the show does not specifically points that out.89.32.1.82 19:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If you revert again you will be blocked, i have been lenient about your current policy vios. Next time you will be reported. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 19:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I strongly recommand then the removal of this personal opinion until you can demonstrate me that what the Prior said and what Tomin uttered afterwards are the same thing. and please stop rambling about your lenity, reasoning and fairness as though i'd have to thank you. i'd be more than happy to report me so we can solve this problem. It seems you are less eager to remove this specific personal opinion than you were in the case of others.89.32.1.82 19:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Help me please, what opinion? Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 19:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

"or as Tomin translated, from one all will learn" is a personal opinion as it cannot be proved that Tomin's words were a translation or that they were even connected to what the Prior said in that "unidentified" language. Since you cannot be sure of the language, you cannot be sure of what the Prior said therefore u cannot state that Tomin's words were actually a translation. have i made it clear?89.32.1.82 19:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay then even tho that is not an opinion, haha. translated -> said; the change in word now does not mean or imply it is a translation. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 19:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It still does imply they have the same meaning "or as Tomin said". The show does not explicitily indicates that both Prior's words and Tomin's suggest she is carrying a tremendous a tremendous amount of knowledge. In order to keep that idea, it should be removed the Prior's phrases as we do not know their meaning. Furthermore the second Prior phrase should be removed "et terra rus ad sidera tollere voltus". Not knowing the exact meaning of those words the statement that they announce Adria's double nature cannot be backed up and could be considered a personal opinion.89.32.1.82 19:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

the statement " Furthermore the same Prior announced her combined divine and human nature by uttering "et terra rus ad sidera tollere voltus". This cannot be supported since we cannot be sure of what the Prior said and therefore we cannot deduce its meaning. it is thus a personal opinion and should be removed too.89.32.1.82 19:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

FINALLY. Was it so hard for you to be reasonable? I should remind you that you forbade me to edit these changes you've edited yourself under the motivation of vandalism ("I have readded part of what you removed as Tomin him self translated it." and u added a warning on my user talk page).89.32.1.82 20:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

And the phrase "her initial name given by the Prior was Orici" is incorrect. Tomin used for the first time the name and later Adria said "they call me Orici", without mentioning "they" are the Priors. Moreover the Priors never uttered the name Orici by now so her initial name was given by the Ori believers(Tomin, they - which includes Priors and ordinary people). I will make this edit myself.89.32.1.82 20:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

More spelling
"Adria posses the ability to heal as well as several other abilities Priors poses". The correct spelling is possess.89.32.1.82 20:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Changed to: "a Prior possess". Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 16:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

then correct would be "possesses" as Prior is at singular.89.32.1.82 17:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 17:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

i appreciate the fact that you first reverted my changes then changed it again.89.32.1.82 17:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Was my fault, i counted one to many s's when spell checking. My apoligies. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 17:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Counter-Strike should be titled "Counterstrike" as that is the title used on the onscreen episode. -- Highway 07:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Age of Adria
I'm editing this to say "apparent age," as she wasn't actually 4, 7, etc. yrs old. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim4christ1 (talk • contribs).
 * Yes true, its probable she wasnt exactly 4, 7 etc when we saw her as well. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 18:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Probable? It's explicitly stated in the episode that she's only a day old. 71.203.209.0 00:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Genetic age. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 09:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

i agree with 71.203.209.0 regarding her real age. one's real age is considered the genetic age so i added an emphasis to point out that "age four" "age seven" are not exactly her normal age.The 89 guy 07:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Powers
Perhaps we should have a list of her observed powers. We have already seen teleknisis, telepathy, super-human stregnth, exreme knowlage, memory and intelegence, ability to surive strikes by superweapons, ability to heal and resurect, and the ability to put a holographic projection over herself. Who supports adding a list of her powers to the article? We could also include a list of powers she is likely to have since other close-to-asension beings have them, like superhuman senses and rapid self healing. Tobyk777 20:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea though I might use the term "Abilities" instead of "Powers". I'd also include information on the personal shield necklace if it is not already included.  Sounds more general. Morphh 20:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If we do so, it should be in prose format rather than simply a list. - SigmaEpsilon → &Sigma; &Epsilon; 21:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

it might want to be noted..
that the 4yo adria was played by executive robert. c. coopers daughter

Her Ascension
I just had a thought and was wondering if it was worth including in the article - if Baal was telling the truth and the collective Ori were destroyed by Merlin’s weapon, then Adria will now be the only ascended Ori left (obviously). Whilst this would make her completely outnumbered by the Ancients, the billions of people who worship the Ori still believe in the Ori, and thus contribute their life force to any ascended Ori. If Adria is alone now, then she will not have to share that power given by her followers with anyone else, potentially making her the most powerful individual ascended being in existence. That might prevent the ancients from directly attacking her. If not, she could still chose to ascend anyone she wanted (perhaps the Doci and a few Priors) to assist her (though that would force her to share the power given by the Ori followers). Anyway, I'm just spittballing and wondering if any of that is worth mentioning. (Anon - 3:10pm 07 March 2007)

Oh, and on an another note, what about the Sangraal? From the description of it the weapon was not so much a bomb as it was a kind of ZPM. If it didnt explode when it was used, then is it not still in the Ori home galaxy, physically intact? If so, doesnt Adria now have a weapon in her possession that could wipe out the Ancients the same way it did to the Ori? That makes sense, but would make it far too easy for her to win, something I dont think the writers would do. Is it possible that Merlin designed the Sangraal to self-destruct after use, knowing that it would have to be in the Ori galaxy before it was used and not wanting it to fall into their hands? (Anon - 3:30pm 07 March 2007)

I don't know. Ba'al would have no reason to lie. Remember, he himself wanted to kill the Ori AND The Ancients. They're probably dead. Anyway, about the Sangraal still being there. Yeah, it was on the ship that Adria was on that was sent through. So either it self destructed or they have it in the Ori galaxy but can't use it for the same reason they couldn't kill the Ancients in the Milky Way. They would use their powers to destroy the device first.

Vala M 17:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Then why did the Ori not use their powers to destroy the weapon when it entered their galaxy? Perhaps the device is protected from ascended beings in a similar way that Arthurs Mantle rendered things invisible to ascended beings. That would explain why Morgan le Fay stopped Merlin from building it in the first place as opposed to destroying it when it was finished (perhaps she couldnt). (Anon - 6:33pm, 7 March 2007)
 * Speaking of her ascension, would this constitute a reascension on Adria's part? -- SFH 21:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I dont know. Maybe they were caught off guard or the Ancients were helping SG-1 by "distracting" them in a simmiliar fashion that the Ancients would have been distracted when every soul in the galaxy would have been worshipping the Ori like Adria stated before.

No, she didn't reascend as she was never an original Ori. She is basically the daughter of an ascended Ori. She was never an original Ori. My guess is that no Ori would risk their butt or descend and lose the privilige of sapping power from humans to lead their forces.

Vala M 22:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually there is no direct evidence one way or the other - Whilst it is possible Adria is an entirely new life born from Vala, it is equally possible that an ascended Ori impregnated her with itself to be born in human form. According to Daniel in 'Flesh and Blood' he stated that Adria was "Not a child, she is an Ori in the body of a human" which strongly implies the latter possibility. Then again, why go through the trouble of being born when, if she was an ascended being, she could simply retake human form just as Merlin did? He was able to take human form and still retain great powers and knowledge, one would think it would have been quicker and easier for an ascended Ori to do the same.

Well, obviously they included the Vala pregnant thing because the actress actually WAS pregnant at the time and the writers wanted to include that into the plot. Also, being born with ascended knowledge and power might have given her more leeway than simply descending with it. Morgan Le Fay was able to interfer with Merlins work because he used ascended knowledge and power to build his weapon. If Adria (as an ascended Ori) had simply manifest as an equally advanced human form and kept her ascended knowledge, the ancients may have been able to attack her or at least stop her from using her powers, but being physically born with them may have constituded a loophole in the ascended rules that let her wield the same ascended knowledge and power Merlin had, without drawing their wrath.

Err, ok that came out a bit more complex than I intended, but hopefully you catch my drift. Anyway, wouldnt it be kinda like Jesus? He was supposed to be the son of God (and Mary) and yet he was also supposed to BE god in human form, both at once. Like the holy trinity and all, the paradox of god and human as one. I dunno, I'm just rambling, but I still think it could be either in Adria's case - she could be a newly born conciousness with Ori knowledge, or she could be a descended Ori that took the form of a fetus instead of a fully grown human.

Oh, and as to why any Ori would risk their ass taking mortal form, well they wouldnt be would they? Because unlike the poor Priors, Adria KNEW how to ascend. We know she had the ability, and we also know that death is quite a common trigger for ascension. That, combined with super funky powers and a near invulnerable shield meant that any Ori that chose to do as Adria did would hardly be putting themselves at great risk. Even if someone found a way to get past all her protection and powers and kill her, she could still ascend at will and end up right back at square one again. And besides which, Orlin and Merlin took great risks in giving up their ascension, and even Daniel gave up his. Whilst the Ori seem to be a tad more evil than them, it doesnt change the fact that, with good reason an ascended being WILL give up their ascension. (Anon - 8:45am, 08 Macrh 2007)

Note - the Ori armies are not completely leaderless; they still have the Doci to lead them. And it would be cool to have Julian Sands back in the show! --Anon - 8:52am, 11 March 2007--


 * If the Ori are all dead where did she and the Priors get their power?

The power is from their minds, it's not drawn from the Ori.

Vala M 14:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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