Talk:Adrian Bird

Research
The most important information for this article, his group's research, is currently missing. I'll try to add it but if someone beats me to it a good place to start is the 2001 nature paper and an older CpG paper, possibly like this one. benmoore 01:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Have now made a start on this benmoore 22:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ideally the "Research" and "Career" sections could be worked together to give a coherent narrative of what was done, where and with whom (if the sources exist for this). benmoore 21:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Clear consensus that this is the primary topic of the two. Cúchullain t/ c 03:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

– Adrian Bird (the professor) has around three times the views of the footballer article and has greater long-term significance: He is now a knighted Professor and potential future Nobel laureate whereas the footballer made 27 total appearances in the 80s before retiring with an injury. All top results in a google search for "Adrian Bird" reference the scientist.
 * Adrian Peter Bird → Adrian Bird
 * Adrian Bird → Adrian Bird (footballer)

Addendum: He does not use his middle name on his lab website, nor is it found on the page of another associated institute or the honours list. (He is named in full in the title of this page.) benmoore 00:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - it's unusual to switch primary topics and not have a disambiguation page, but the knighthood easily takes the scientist into primary topic territory. StAnselm (talk) 03:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Partial oppose – Let's make Adrian Bird a disambig page instead, so forestall the inevitable primarytopic squabbles between these two ambiguous topics. Dicklyon (talk) 06:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly opposed to a disambiguation page; if there is any doubt, we might as well have one. StAnselm (talk) 07:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand that's the more usual route, but I thought in this case there's a significant disparity between the two subjects and it's unlikely many people searching for Adrian Bird are looking for an 80s first division player who rarely played (27 apps over 4 years) then retired. Comparing their 90 day traffic stats, about 10% of footballer Adrian Bird's total views over that period occurred during Nobel speculation about the geneticist. benmoore 10:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment the footballer article says the name is Adrian Lee Bird... -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 23:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * That is his full name, but he was not known by it, in the same way that the frontman of Nirvana was not known as "Kurt Donald Cobain". Most people, certainly in the UK, don't use their middle name as part of their "everyday name".... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Adrian Bird (geneticist) should redirect here -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom. No need for a dab page per WP:2DABS - "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed" just a hatnote. With the greatest of respect to the footballer, who was doubtless a fine athlete before the injury that terminated his career when he was only 21, there is not much doubt where the primary notability lies. Ben   Mac  Dui  13:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support; nominator has demonstrated that the scientist is the clear primary topic of the term, both in terms of popularity of appearances, and in terms of historical significance. bd2412  T 00:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 18:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. Clear primary topic. If the scientist had been placed at that title originally, rather than at his full name, I'd have created the other at Adrian Bird (footballer) in the first place and saved us the hassle :) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I disagree that there is clearcut PRIMARYTOPIC here. Adrian Bird should be a dab, with (footballer) and (geneticist) listed. GiantSnowman 13:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support – a geneticist, knighted by the monarch and a leader in his field, or a second division footballer who played the equivalent of around half a season of matches, with no evidence of sustained public interest. It is clear to me that the primary topic is the former. C679 20:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. I dislike the PrimaryTopic notion, preferring to see more DAB pages, but given the PrimaryTopic notion, especially in 2DAB situations, the geneticist is it.  Make Adrian Bird a DAB page when a third Adrian Bird becomes notable.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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