Talk:Adriana Lima/Archive 1

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How can we get a photo of her on here without infringing on any copyrights? MDesigner 20:21, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, I found a site that says that its photos are "believed to be from the public domain." That works for me.  I'll dig up a nice face shot and post it up, as well as a link to the site which has a ton of photos of her (yum). MDesigner 06:08, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * well, it doesn't seem like it is: it's clearly a VS pic. in fact, i wonder if that claim isn't just the site owners' way of covering their butts in case they're caught (after seeing that on several sites).Frencheigh 06:16, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that photo is of Alessandra Ambrosio, not Adriana Lima.

I believe that her official "comp card" falls in the official promotional picture category of fair use, and have uploaded that. Source Calwatch 10:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

This hand wringing about infringing on copyrights is silly. There are photos of her all over the internet that have been placed "Without Express Written Permission", and a quick click over the Wiki page on Victoria's Secret shows her on the magazine cover. That is the image that should be used here


 * Whether it's fair use actually depends which article it's used in. (That's the general agreement anyway.) See the text of Template:Magazinecover and the associated discussion page. Frencheigh 01:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

the most famous thing about her is she has super eye, best looking eye in the world and it should be posted here

That's not what she is known for, besides it's not NPOV to state it as an encyclopedic fact. She is famous for being a VS model.

Eye Color
Wouldnt it be fair to describe her eye color as silver? Seems more shiny greyish than bluish to me
 * According to FMD, they are blue/grey. Silver is not an existing eyecolor afaik. ► robomod  21:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Video Entry
Wasn't she also in Aerosmith's 'Girls of Summer' video? PerlKnitter 21:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

No i don't think so.

Hmm, I have seen several references to Jaime Pressley and Kim Smith as two of the three. I thought I had seen somewhere that Adriana was the third. If not her, then who is it? PerlKnitter 20:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

no.. it doesn't really look like her. adriana has blue/green eyes not brown and her face is rounder. so i don't think its her.

A homemade porno of her is now on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.67.212 (talk) 06:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

THATS NOT HER IN THE VIDEO HER REP EVEN SED ITS NOT HER, LOOK LIKE HER A BIT BUT NOTICE HOW SHE DOSENT LOOK AT THE CAMERA PLUS SHES A VIRGIN AND ALSO Y WUD SHE DO A HOME VID SHES GOT THE MONEY AND THE FAME. ALSO SHE SED HER AND LENNY KRAVITZ WERE NEVER AN ITEM LET ALONE ENGAGED, SHE SAID THEY ARE JUST GOOD FRIENDS.

Wrong heritage
Adriana is only of Native Indian, African, and Swiss descent. Wrong info. You can watch this video of her at youtube mentioning her ethnic background....No where does she says anything about French,Portguese,Japanese, or "Afro Brazilian"...BTW-Nor is she "Native American"...More like Native Brazilian Indian...Was she born in America? No, so how in the world is she half "Native American"?Cococanelle 05:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Youtube Interview

Yes, i realized something was wierd about it.. Japanese?!

Afro-Brazilian is the same thing as African, in this case. 24.186.192.247 16:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone keeps taking out her African heritage, although she herself has specifically said on numerous occasions that she IS of African descent. These racist revisions on certain people's pages are unfounded and need to stop.

BTW-Nor is she "Native American"...More like Native Brazilian Indian...Was she born in America? No, so how in the world is she half "Native American"?

Native Americans are not limited to only North America. They include Central and South America as well. She was born in America, South America, unless you're referring to the United States of America. Anyhow, she may be of Native American descent.


 * I'm no expert on Lima's heritage (who really is?), but Cococanelle established it at the top of this section enough for the info to have stood for quite awhile, although the Youtube link is dead. The second citation supporting her heritage in the article was also dead so I deleted that, leaving one link that provides conflicting reports. The source isn't exactly what I'd call credible, but if it's going to be used at all, one claim of heritage from the source has to be used over the other - not a mix of them both.  Since the source's first claim is African, Native South American, and Swiss, which apparently confirms Lima's own comments in the Youtube video, I think we have no choice but to maintain that within the article unless a more definitive source is found.  Mbinebri (talk) 00:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, a certain editor is continually adding additional heritage claims to the article and refuses to discuss the changes in this talk page as responsible Wikipedians should do, so to explain what's happening: I've re-included both sets of claims to Lima's heritage in the hopes of both keeping the article valid and appeasing this editor. She might just revert my edits anyway, so if you have an opinion on this, feel free to comment because a few more opinions on this would help.  Mbinebri (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

User:68.13.145.189
I have reverted the edits from User:68.13.145.189 because it looked like sneaky vandalism, which was also a little apparent from the user contribution. I don't know of other contributions though. Others may look into the matter.--  Anupamsr | talk | contribs  15:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

SHE IS BRAZILLIAN FULL STOP, THATS WHY HER, GISELE, AND AMBOROSI, ARE THE 3 HOTTEST THINGS OUT OF BRAZIL AND CLOSE FIRENDS AS ITS BEEN SED MANY TIMES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.184.22 (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Lenny Kravitz
According to the imdb, her favourite musician is really Lenny Kravitz. So, I think it´s a correct information. User:Mistico

I don't know about the engagement line under her personal life section. I was just watching an interview on youtube and she states that she has never been engaged. It was a Craig Kilborn episode. Here's a link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xoLgx17A9k

I tend to believe the actual person rather than an EXTRA report as referenced on 13.

?!?!
Wait a minute cause i'm confused is she or isn't she a virgin? i read an interview that she goes to church every sunday too.

She claims to be a virign during an intview with gq which i wrote and provided the link to prove it which I thought was enough, if someone disagree's, prove it. -j

--Thedigger 06:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Definitely NOT. She's the latest celebrity to have a leaked sex tape. Perhaps this should be added to the main text?
 * Definetly not Adriana's secret sex tape read this and everything will be clearer http://fleshbot.com/sex/celebrity/definitely-not-the-adriana-lima-sex-tape-241972.php and she is the only person (except maybe her ex boyfriends or current boyfriend) who knows the answer to the question "is Adriana Lima a virgin?" Ringwraith46 02:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Please if you are going to write something like this - "However, in the June 2006 issue of the Italian GQ, Lima told reporters that she was in fact no longer a virgin, and that she had just been mistaken because her English is not the best. She went on to say that although it would never apply to her, she believes it is a good example for teenagers." Please provide a reliable source!
 * This matter is of tivial importance. Whether she is a virgin or not should not be a topic in this article.Hossain Akhtar Chowdhury 12:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually she was interviewed in A magazine a Italian Tabloid...where she said "I'm not saying if I'm a virgin and I'm not saying I'm not" She still claims to be a virgin as does her family and friends stand by her side. She NEVER took the statement back....people misconstrued that interview. She has never been in the issue of Italian GQ, as I said it was an Italian tabloid called "A" and she didn't take back her statement, she covered herself as to not loose her contract with TIM mobile, which failed because she lost it anyway. As for the sex tape, sorry it isn't her. My site AdrianaFLima, has contact with Adriana's friends and family and they have confirmed she's very religious and would never dream of having sex before marriage, and suffered a short depression in 2007 after no one believed her statement and retreated to Brazil for several months in the beginning of 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 03:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity
Funny how no one has proof of her stating her own ethnic background, But I listed the three (African, Indian, and Swiss) from her interview. I will state again she is not a mix of Portuguese, French, or Japanese. --Cococanelle


 * African is not an ethnicity. In actuality, neither is Amerindian. According to Ethnicity, ethnicity is defined as:

"An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of humans whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith, 1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by certain common cultural, behavioural, linguistic and ritualistic or religious traits."


 * There are too many variations in the cultural, behavioural, linguistic and ritualistic/religious traits of the different peoples of Africa to call Africa an ethnicity. Same goes for Amerindian. One cannot say the Inuit of Ellesemere Island are the same ethnic background as the Mapuche of Argentina.


 * Either her actual, specific ethnicities should be listed or the category be changed from "Ethnicity to something else. --Kmsiever 04:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but it says Africa and not a specific African country because during the slave trade the slave holders used to erase all known information about a slave's origins, so it is hard for many of African descent in the New World to trace their African ancestry to a specific country in the same way that those of European descent can.

As for the Amerindian ancestry, she is more specifically of Native Brazilian descent, so I've changed the sentence to reflect this. ElijahTM (talk) 17:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
The trivia section is too long, self-contradictory, and unverifiable. It requires major cleanup, with some information being incorporated into the main article text, and other info being removed outright. -Porlob 14:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

the heritage
What I don't understand is why can't we keep her heritage to Swiss, African, and Native Indian? There has been no proof of her stating otherwise. She is a mixture of all three from the above stated youtube video.

yeah i dont know who keeps changing it.

Ummm
Can we get a reference where Lima's father supposedly walked out on her?

Yes. I don't know who wrote that and were they got it from!

-- I own a site called www.AdrianaFlima.com, we have exclusive contact with Adriana's family friends and a few people who work with her, and yes her father did walk out on her. When she was 6 months old, her mother was only 18 when she gave birth to Adriana as well. Adriana has spoke in interviews about her father leaving. But in 2007 she reunited with her father, and now has two young half brothers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Roles in Films
She was really offered roles in those two films ? Since she only had yet a role on cinema, I find hard to believe. User:Mistico

Iraqi???
How could she have Iraqui heritage? her last name is "Lima" that can be a word of portuguese or spaniard origin.
 * Exactly.. because everyone takes the last name of both parents and surnames are never changed as people move from place to place. Not saying she's Iraqi because.. frankly.. who cares?  Just pointing out that you're not thinking things through.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.3.68 (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Does Adriana Lima have a myspace?
Does she? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.119.45.169 (talk) 23:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

No she doesn't have one. It was said on an official forum in which Lima is part of.[fashionmodeltalk] Same goes for Alessandra Ambrosio and Ana Beatriz Barros. They have their own site.

So why do people keep adding a MySpace link to the External Links in her article?? I don't think a fake pretending to be her has any place on a wiki page. I've once again removed the MySpace link, but it's getting a little tiring after several times. As a reminder, here is the official statement from her official forums. 86.150.80.228 (talk) 13:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

conversion error...
178 cm would make her 5'10, not 5'11.

no 179cm is 5'10.

isnt she 5ft 10 anyways???


 * 5'11 = 180cm 5'10'' is closer to 178cm. mirageinred 17:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

i dont know some people say shes actually 5ft 7inches, as managers of models usually just add a few inches to their height making them look bigger.

Myspace links
Please do not put links to myspace profiles in the article or source information in articles with myspace links, please see WP:RS. - Ocatecir 09:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. The page says myspace should be avoided "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject." mirageinred 19:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It is undisputed that myspace should NOT be used as a source. If the information is pertinent to an encyclopedia it will have a third-party reliable source about it. There is discussion, however, if myspace should be allowed in the external links. No consensus has been reached yet, so for the time being it should not be added. - Ocatecir 20:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not being used as a source. That was her own myspace and the WP:EL says it can be added. mirageinred 20:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The message you were responding to was added because people were adding information from myspace pages. Also, WP:EL does not say that anywhere on the page. #10 under "Links normally to be avoided" says "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET." Read it yourself. - Ocatecir 20:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I did read it. The reason why it says "links normally to be avoided" is because there is an exception. (..."Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject"). The myspace in this case links to the subject (Adriana Lima) and it is only an external link, not a source. mirageinred 20:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm quoting directly from WP:EL. 20:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, the myspace debate has not reached a consensus, read Wikipedia_talk:External_links. Until it has, myspace links should not be added. Because what you quoted does not mention myspace, and #10 under "Links normally to be avoided" explicitly mentions myspace, that is the official policy. Should the debate prompt wiki admins to change the policy, then myspace links may start to be added. The point is that myspace is self-published. If they contain pertinent information for an encyclopedia, then that information would be published by a third party. - Ocatecir 20:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The debate is only taking place in the talk page, so it's not an official policy yet. Until then WP:EL states that Lima's myspace falls under "links normally to be avoided" "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject." mirageinred 20:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The talk page gives you an idea of where the debate currently is at. If you read it, you see that most still regard myspace as illegitimate. If myspaces were allowed, that debate would not be occuring. Also, if myspaces were allowed #10 would not exist to prohibit them. - Ocatecir 20:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I know myspace is debatable. but the WP:EL (which is part of Manual of Style, which the talk page is not) currently says there is an exception in which the myspace can be listed as external link if it links to the subject of the page. mirageinred 20:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a connection you are making. The sentence does not mention myspace. If it considered myspace to be exempt, it would not mention it in #10. - Ocatecir 20:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say "links normally to be avoided?" Before it lists the sites normally to be avoided (which includes myspace, USENET and such), it says "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject" directly under "links normally to be avoided," which means that the list of sites mentioned are "links normally to be avoided" unless it links to the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject. Thus, Lima's myspace is an exception. mirageinred 20:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why revert? must have been a mistake. mirageinred 20:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * it was. rv back.-Ocatecir 20:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this whole debate is a little pointless as Adriana does NOT HAVE A MYSPACE, and regardless of what it says in WP:EL, links to a fake one pretending to be Adriana do not belong on her wiki page. official statement from her official forums 86.150.80.228 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

external link to the Internet Fashion Database
Hi, I've tried to add an external link to Adriana Lima's profile on the Internet Fashion Database to this article's External Links section, and twice it has been removed. I don't understand how the link violated the external links policy.

The Internet Fashion Database's purpose is to collect and catalog information about the fashion industry: models, agencies, clothing labels, designers, photographers, etc and show the relationships between them.

How is linking to Adriana Lima's profile not acceptable? Ifdb 00:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As all your contributions to Wikipedia consist of promoting this website, it was viewed with suspicion. --Abu badali (talk) 06:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And that is great that this link was viewed with suspicion, but why remove the link without investigating the link? If the link is valid, is related to the article, and the link can give additional valuable information to the reader of the article, then why remove the link? Why is the link "guilty" until proven "innocent" and not the other way around? Ifdb 14:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * One user says that it's spam. mirageinred 17:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

So can someone goto the profile Adriana Lima and tell me what specifically about the profile or site that is considered spam and what in the external links policy has this link violated? Ifdb 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not a suitable link and does border on being outright spam. I assume you are talking about (since the template was deleted I can't be 100% sure). But that "database" entry adds nothing to the subject matter (Adriana Lima). Firstly, the "biography" is a copy and paste job of this very Wiki article apart from the leading paragraph which has a couple of lines which doesn't appear here because of WP:NPOV. I have seen other model's entries on tifdb which are EXACT copy and pastes of their Wiki articles. Secondly, the fact and stats seem to be a copy and paste of Wiki facts and stats too. Which means the text has almost zero added value to someone already reading Adriana Lima. It just leaves the pictures which you do have a lot of but I'm sure there are many other dedicated photo sites out there and linking to a gallery is never really worthwhile doing. Also, by just adding links to (I persume but I could be wrong) your own site and adding no other worthwhile contributions to Wikipedia is not really the best way of getting your site on Wikipedia. --PTSE 19:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Right on. mirageinred 19:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You did not look at all of the content closely, you said everything was a blatant copy/paste from wikipedia and some items mentioned are not a neutral point of view - which is fine because like wikipedia, the information can be corrected and massaged to a more neutral point of view. For example, the weight listed in the wiki stats says that Adriana Lima weighs 51kg but on the Internet Fashion Database it says 59kg -- the 59kg stat is more accurate/up-to-date because of contributions made by readers that have submitted verifiable information, as a result the Internet Fashion Database is a good resource for readers of this wiki article since industry professionals and other people contribute to the site. The Internet Fashion Database site offers a user contribution system that allows most of the content to be editting/corrected/added so if anyone has any problem with any of the content then can submit a contribution with an amendment to the content and it will be taken up for review by the moderators. The profile page also offers a Quotes section and a Message Board for public discussion, both of which are not available on this article. All points considered, the profile page on the Internet Fashion Database can be and is a good place for a reader of this article.

Being in the fashion industry, I tend to look at many wiki articles related to fashion. And looking at many articles on models, I've noticed external links to supermodels.nl and fashionmodeldirectory.com ... how are those external links not considered spam and a link to the Internet Fashion Database is considered spam, those websites offer nothing new to the reader after reading the article, how did those links pass the moderators??? ... the Fashion Model Directory even has a template (the Internet Fashion Databse template was deleted!) ... how can the Fashion Model Directory be allowed to have a template but the Internet Fashion Database cannot? Please explain.

I've also noticed links on model articles to blogs, and I thought links to blogs violated policy?

Also, you make a strong statement by saying this link is spam. If it is "spam" then point to the exact section of whichever policy this link is violating. Simply stating that it violates policy (A) doesn't mean anything unless you specifically say WHAT in this policy it violates, simply tapping the policy does mean anything to me because I've read the policy and I cannot find a violation ... so that in the future I will know whether a link violates a policy or not. Because I've read the external links policy and don't see anything wrong with the link I posted. Ifdb 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, blogs to violate Wikipedia policy, but they are removed promptly. Or at least they should be. I don't see why you are so insistent on putting her profile up. Mirror sites of Wikipedia are not a reliable source and the fact that readers contribute the IFDB makes it even more unreliable. External links are for links that have information beyond what is already provided at this Wiki article. IFDB clearly doesn't. mirageinred 20:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * User contributions to the Internet Fashion Database does not make it even more unreliable because contributions are only applied if their sources are verified. Random facts are not approved and existing inaccuracies have room for improvement. The Internet Fashion Database, in the near future, will eventually have a list of sources on their pages to give readers more information. When this will happen? I am not sure at the moment. Ifdb 22:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And the Internet Fashion Database does provide content beyond this article, "Appearances", "Quotes", "Message Board", and media ... to name a few.


 * Sorry for interrupting your comment, but "appearances" are already mentioned in the article and quotes and message board don't seem like relevant information. mirageinred 21:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And I'm still waiting on a justification on allowing supermodels.nl and fashionmodeldirectory.com links. I do not see those links as being any more valuable than links to the Internet Fashion Database, in fact they appear to be less valuable upon close inspection. Ifdb 21:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you see them, remove them. mirageinred 21:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

But are they considered "spam" ... and what metric are you using to consider them "spam" ... "spam" is a loose term.

... and still wondering how Fashion Model Directory was allowed a template and Internet Fashion Database was not ...

And how is the Internet Movie Database allowed, what additional value does that link provide? Ifdb 21:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that all unnecessary links that provide no new information beyond the wikipedia article should be removed not just from Adriana Lima artcile but all articles, rumors and videos also but it's not an easy job to do with so many people doing so many modifications to articles ! If some link shoud be added to the references or external links maybe it would be a good choice to add back the askmen.com link, which is absent in the newer look of the article since few days ago. There are some different stuff written there and also the voting for the most desirable woman of the year, by gradind each girl with a grade beetween 0 and 100. Or maybe that link should be added to all models articles? So that people can vote for their favorite model or actress, singer... Only a suggestion :D Ringwraith46 00:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life, inappropriate references?
Under the Personal Life, it mentions rumours? I didn't know an encyclopedia was in the business of reporting rumours.

Also, reference #7 (Gawker Gossip) doesn't appear to be a reputable source of information. I've seen videos online of one of the women who runs Gawker and even she admitted that information on Gawker should not be taken seriously and is only there for entertainment value. If anyone is interested in seeing this interview of this woman then I'll gladly post the link.

Also, reference #8, some link to a video of Adriana Lima ... how is this link a reference? The link offers no textual content, only the video, and the video itself says nothing, it only has background music, no talking? Ifdb 21:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I already removed them. mirageinred 21:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life still mentions rumours. Ifdb 21:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not remove it yourself? mirageinred 22:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd love to, but so far all my contributions to wikipedia have been all removed... Ifdb 22:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

she herself clearly stated in a interview that she was dating a boy from argentina known as estevan and was a wannabe photographer, so why has it been deleted? im going to put it back up unless someone has a good reason not to. Also its also true that she HAS left Denny of Timberlada, this isnt a rumour.
 * It doesn't matter. Wikipedia is not a tabloid gossip rag.  The casual romances of celebrities have no place here.  It's an encyclopedia, not Hello! magazine.  --David Shankbone 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

than whats with all the bs about denny and all that crap. If you mention them, then you might as well mention the fact that they broke up.

heritage confusion, inaccuracies?
reference #4, the youtube video has her talking about her heritage including African, Indian, and Swiss ... but admits herself that she doesn't speak english that well, and when she answers the question of her heritage/background she doesn't seem to take the question too seriously and answers in a comical way, I also believe that when she mentioned "Indian" she probably meant "Native South American" ... reference #5, the maybelline article is probably a better source for her heritage (which doesn't even mention Afican, Indian (from India), or Swiss) Ifdb 00:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

that maybelline article is not reliable. it mentions the same ethnicities that were thrown around in the begining. adriana lima is from fucking brazil. almost everyone is a mix of african, indian, and european. you should know better. She's from Salvadore Bahia anyway, with a large population of Africans who are decendants of slaves.


 * exactly, Brazil is a melting pot of many ethnicities, and so far from all the sources, the maybelline article is the best source, and just because there's a lot of africans in Salvadore Bahia doesn't make her part African Ifdb 21:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

She said out of her own damn mouth what her mixture is. Why is that so hard to understand? Are you saying she is wrong? If she was joking about her own heritage she would have said so. I don't what is sicker-the fact that you're trying to claim that she's wrong from what she said out of her own mouth, or the fact that you're trying to say she's not mixed. Also-Have you seen her mother? Those other ethnicities were always thrown around and made up and stated as her actual heritage just to make sound more exotic than she is. Even the guy in the video tried to make her more mixed than she is. "A mix of everything", But she shut him up and stated her mix. I have never heard her or read an interview from her claiming all those other things. Are you calling her a liar from what she said in the video? You need to stop. I'll give you a picture of her family-cousins from Bahia who is also of african/white/native mixture. If she's not mixed, what is she then? 100 European? Does it bother you that she is part African? Get a life. Tell her that to her face and watch her laugh at you. And you obviously don't have access to Adriana's Orkut account. She talks about her background and family on there also. I'll try to find the link. But her page is locked. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/NinaNina19/Models/87d4130e5b074f1472acc0f26ae8a1.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

request for page protection
adriana lima's page is constantly being vandalize. i was just wondering if we could request this page to be protected at least from anonymous users from editing the page.

the korean wiki
If you can't read Korean, the Korean Wikipedia says there is no article in the name of "아드리야나 리마" and that's not the right way to spell her name to begin with. mirageinred 00:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you wish to make one, it's spelled "아드리아나 리마." mirageinred 00:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All I see are squares :D lol as most of you will probably see here "Адриана Лима" Ringwraith46 00:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks like Russian. What I typed was the Korean spelling of her name. I don't think your browser supports Korean, but I think you can changed that. mirageinred 16:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Close :) that's Adriana Lima written in Serbian. I know you typed her name in Korean up there and I don't have korean language support installed so I only saw squares :D I just felt like joking a little ;) Ringwraith46 19:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

eyes?
I know that there is a reference for stating that her eyes are green and on some pictures and videos from specific angles it really looks like they are green, but I think it's pretty obvious that her eyes are mostly grey with a little blue/green essence (look at the pictures in the artcile). So maybe it should be written grey, grey/blue, grey/green, grey/blue/green or whatever no matter that it says otherwise on the dna website, because people who read the article will see her grey eyes themselves and think that the statement is wrong, which I think it is :) I didn't want to change it myself because I want to see other people's opinions Ringwraith46 01:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Honors and awards
I'm adding a chart of "Honors and awards" to provide a concise ref of her past. I didn't want to include every conceivable list she's on, so I limited it to awards or lists that are wiki notable.. ie: the award has an article on wikipedia; by default that's notable or the article would have been afd. I may have missed some legit awards though... I'll keep checking. ~

The awards I listed are: Ford Supermodel of Brazil 1995 1st Place, Ford Supermodel of the World 1996 2nd Place, Maxim Magazine Hot 100 2003 #57, FHM 100 Sexiest Womem 2007 7th Place, People Magazine 100 Most Beautiful 2007, Spike TV Guys' Choice Awards 2007 Hottest Girl on the Planet.... Frog47 05:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed SpikeTV award since Lima's category was not mention during the show although she was listed as one of their awardees. Why put importance on a show that did not show importance to Miss Lima? (Number1spygirl 12:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC))


 * I believe it should be mentioned for several reasons: 1. The awards are wiki notable & likely will increase in importance as the various Mtv awards have over the past few years. 2. The results show that Lima won an international fan vote competition. 3. The results are clearly displayed on the Spike Tv website, and in most articles that cover the results. Frog47 14:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Tables
Removed tables due to it's unencyclopedic nature. As stated by Five Pillars, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. (Number1spygirl 05:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

Weight
Citation needed. (Number1spygirl 16:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)).
 * I generally disagree with weight and measurements being included in the model articles. I don't understand their encyclopedic value, and these things are constantly changing.  Wikipedia isn't here to describe a person's bust size, but to talk about their career and notability.  Unless the weight, waist size, shoe size, etc. of a person is notable itself, perhaps in the case of Pamela Anderson, then I think these should be removed.  They change too often, are often misrepresented by the person who gives it, and are difficult to verify.  They also add nothing to an article but make a person seem like a piece of meat.  --David Shankbone 14:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Lima is a fashion model. Measurements are important and related to her profession. As for weight, it was removed since it was unsourced. (Number1spygirl 14:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC))
 * How are they important as they relate to an encyclopedia article about her? We aren't here to report how big her breasts are, we are here to report that she is a model who is the fourth highest paid, and the physical characteristics are self-evident.  If she gets pregnant, will we change her bust and waist size then?  If she gains or loses weight?  How will you know?  --David Shankbone 14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a bio of a living person. Changes are expected. If you are so much in disagreement about inclusion of measurement then, discuss it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Model - (Number1spygirl 05:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

Tattoo
I just noticed she has a tattoo on her left ankle. Anyone have any more info on this, what it is, or anything like that? Thanks!

The most hottest sexiest women alive <3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.18.121 (talk) 11:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Great job spotting that Tattoo. It was hardly visible. King   Lopez  Contribs 03:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

the marquez reference needs tweaking
This is a small thing, but would someone please change the part about her liking to "read a book" by Marquez and make it clear that she doesn't just keep reading the same book over and over. While what's written is nearly word for word from the source, the meaning changes when shifted from "Brazilian brochure" to "Wikinformation." She enjoys and reads the work of Marquez, but she doesn't--contrary to what our article suggests--just obsessively keep reading one book. Not that "One Hundred Years" isnt' worthy of that :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.252.234.79 (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Raised By Wolves?
I really don't believe that she was raised by wolves. The link cited for this proposition says nothing of this sort. Can someone please fix this? 66.28.217.228 (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was vandalism. It's fixed now. Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 15:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Adriana Lima best friends
Adriana Lima is best friends with younger Brazilian supermodel Raica Oliveira.

That was years ago, I don't believe they speak to each other now. She is friends with people outside her agency, those are her best friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Engaged
Adriana Lima was proposed to on her 27th birthday by boyfriend Marko Jaric, NBA player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.173.217 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't tell me she accepted (rhetorical, I know she accepted). This guy's one eye looks to the left and the other looks to the right. It's a medical wonder he shoots the hoops. 79.103.187.216 (talk) 20:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Derek Jeter
She never dated Derek Jeter, they met at an event once. Please TAKE THAT DOWN NOW. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlu86 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Languages
Adriana does NOT speak spanish!! She speaks Portuguese, French, English and a bit Italian. She was at Liverpool fashion week, and could understand a bit of Spanish and say your basic Hi, and greetings but couldn't speak anything beyond that when she attempted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdxVBN_U4Q (3:51 and beyond proves it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxY6koHN47U (1:37 a woman asks her a question in Spanish, and she clearly politely starts repeating a little in English, hinting for her to speak it in English) Also keep in mind she was at Liverpool in Mexico, and spoke English 98% of the time, and did a Portuguese interview, if she spoke Spanish she would have done it there in all places.

This was falsy written on a bio, on that same bio (which is not trustworthy) it also says Adriana was discovered in a shopping mall, which adriana has denied in several interviews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVCj9J5qFtg (4:33 and on) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

yes she does. she's tri-lingual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.107.36 (talk) 08:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok then why does her family say she doesn't speak spanish? Why did she say in an interview she can't speak spanish? and why in that video can she not speak spanish? She speaks Portuguese, English and French —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes
User:24.7.206.23 has recently made some changes after I reverted the edits. I am not a regular contributor to this page, so I cannot judge the validity of the edits. The pajama thing seems completely crufty and non-notable, and the sources seem sketchy at best. Opinions from regular editors of the page or others familiar with the topic? Are those sources reliable, and should the information be included? The IP user has started a discussion on my talk page, but it really ought to be discussed here. -Phoenixrod (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion he's really arguing the point that Adriana wasn't six months old hen she was left claiming there isn't a reliable source claiming this. If you search Adriana, any bio you pull up it will point that out. Even on IMDB, I think honestly that when it on every biography out there, and the fact that it's on IMDB, and the fact I could easily show you a huge group of fans that know this with their eyes closed, and the fact I own www.AdrianaFLima.com where we have actual contact with Adriana's friends and family, they give us exclusive news and images (look in our gallery under exclusives and you will see the ones we have been sent) and we ask and back up all our info and when she went looking for her dad we knew before anyone else did and they viewed what we put on our website, which confirmed the 6 month old thing...which IMO is a common sense thing when it is everywhere online. this user despites any source I put even when there are tons of them out there.

As for the other facts, I'm well aware that this is a "Encylopedia" and I wouldn't place things here that I felt had a nature of a fan site. There are many of those I could put but I don't. I simply place things here that anyone who is becoming a fan or Adriana or has seen a picture related to one of these topics that they might find the answer to the question here, as a lot of people view her page before going to a fan site. If he wants to look at it from this view, than several things on her page don't need to be there, but lots of it needs to be.

Also this user continues to de-edit my edits without siting a source for his re-edits and continues to delete mine which even though in his mind they are not credible sources they do have sources or are anything anyone with an fan knowledge of Adriana would know. I think it's wrong when he re-edits something to something that is obviously wrong. If the info was wrong and he was to re-edit it, it would be and obvious correction. But common sense to me would be to google what I was writing and find the info was right and leave it alone, than delete it and place what he believes to be true, when he is NOT a regular contributer and he doesn't even site 1 source be it a fan site or not.

I see nothing wrong with what was added and if most people did I think it would be deleted by more people than the user above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No. I am not "really arguing the point that Adriana wasn't six months old hen she was left". As I repeatedly told you, I am posing a simple question: What do reliable sources say? Because the source you added appeared questionable, I reverted your edit. That is all. It does not reflect my opinion on how old Adriana Lima was at a particular event in her life, nor should it. Bios like IMDb's are user-submitted and therefore not reliable. The fact that you own a website gives you a conflict of interest in editing this article. Have you read the policy on reliable sources that I have linked repeatedly? All I seek is this: find a source that meets the policy, and cite it. IMDb's user-submitted bios are not reliable; fansites are not reliable. You do not provide any reliable sources in this talk page section.


 * If in fact a particular claim "is a common sense thing when it is everywhere online", then it should be child's play to provide a reliable source for that claim. This idea springs from Wikpedia policy, which you are conveniently ignoring. Yes, I understand that you may have personal contact with the article's subject, but that doesn't make you a reliable source unless that can be verified.


 * Please don't make this discussion personal. I also think you are misconstruing my meaning when I say I am not a regular contributor to this page; that means I do not frequently read the article and check its sources, but it does not mean that I will not uphold the encyclopedia's policies. For clarity, please use my username instead of referring to my as "this user", which makes me sound disembodied. I am trying to uphold Wikpedia's policy, including the strict policy on biographies of living persons.


 * Finally, you (User: 24.7.206.23) say, "I see nothing wrong with what was added and if most people did I think it would be deleted by more people than the user above." Unfortunately, the lack of other users' comments on this talk page in the last 10 days cuts both ways: I could just as easily say, "I see a lack of reliable sources with what was added, and if most people found my edits wrong then they would have said so here." If you look at the article history, many edits are by IP users, and a lot of registered users' edits are simply reversions.


 * In short, then, what are we to do? I will leave in the 6 months/6 years claim as you left it, and I will implore all editors of this article to find better, more reliable sources for the claims in the article. The specific information of the article was not my contention; it is the references that are questionable. I will also trim the non-notable claims, such as what Adriana Lima likes to watch on TV as she sits around in her pajamas. Really ... if we don't need to include Bill Clinton's preference for boxers or briefs, why should it be relevant in an encyclopedia article for AL? -Phoenixrod (talk) 18:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

When it was in an interview she did for Tearsheet, that was an official interview in a magazine, I'm sorry it's a reliable source. I'm sorry but you make it wear nothing is good enough...I'm sorry let's see an admin say "Sorry 6 -10 articles saying she was 6 months old isn't good enough, even an official interview" You're out of you're mind. Sorry! It is on all fansites, it's been said in many interviews, but as for an official site, sorry she doesn't have one. But I'm sorry when they're are 10 or more sources saying she was 6 months old and an interview, well they must all be wrong huh? *rolls eyes* Again I bring up the fact that you are so apt to just on me about "All your sources aren't good enough etc" and you can't site ONE that says she was 6 months, but you are willing to edit it to that. Sorry, doesn't make you reliable at all for this page.

As for people commenting, I could easily get more than 100 people on here confirming everything that I'm saying for her page, not ONE would say she was 6 years old. AT ALL! So if I wanted to I could get as many people as I wanted to get here and know what they are speaking about.

About my personal contact, you can easily go to our site and see our photos section and etc where it confirms many times over that it is verified contact.

I'm sorry when someone is arguing that an interview is not a good enough source, uh....nothing more needs to be said.

Keep in mind, her page has always said 6 months, even before it was locked for a short period of time, and looked over by Admins before locked. recently when it was unlocked a Non fan and someone who can't back up a source (because there is none) came and put something outrageous about 6 years old?! So obviously the Admins seen that before and had no problem with it, it's only you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, my friend, I'm growing tired of talking at cross purposes with you. Have you read the policy on reliable sources yet? If Lima did an interview with Tearsheet, link it for me. Tearsheet doesn't appear to have a website, and the several libraries I checked have no record of a magazine by that name. Give me something tangible; track down the original interview. There's a huge difference between 1) quoting the original source and 2) saying, "an anonymous person says it's what she said". All I want is the verifiable source; that is policy and is not up for debate, especially in a biographical article. Again, fansites are not appropriate sources unless they are in some way official. What is to prevent them from copying incorrect information from each other? One hundred anonymous meatpuppets would not be convincing either.


 * Did you even read my response above? I said I am leaving the 6 months claim in, and the specific claim was never the point of what I was saying. I am not arguing that an "interview is not a good enough source"; I am saying that I have yet to see evidence of that interview in a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia policy. If that interview is so easy to find ... then do it. Where can I find verify it in a reliable source?


 * As for your site, adrianaflima.com, the disclaimer says, "This site is in no way affiliated or associated with Adriana Lima". By definition, it's not a reliable source for Wikipedia. The same goes for most fansites and blogs on any person or topic.


 * It is absurd to suggest that because an admin protected or semi-protected a page from editing, he or she read the whole article and checked its sources. Protection is simply to prevent edit wars.


 * Finally, please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks like "Sorry, doesn't make you reliable at all for this page." There is no need to assault my character. All you need to do is follow the policies, and all will be well. What exactly is the problem at this point? The 6 months old claim remains in the article as you wanted, and I am asking for better sources to verify the claims. Why are you so angry about that? -Phoenixrod (talk) 18:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I have re -read the tearsheet interview and it doesn't mention her age, I've mistaken it for a Brazilian interview she did once in SPFW in 2005 where she mentioned it. But just for example Google "Adriana Lima 6 months" and you will find it's correct it is all over the web, I don't remember what article it EXACTLY came from and if it's even out there anymore, I mean heck she started modeling when she was about 14 years old and in Brazil, articles are very hard to come by. But the tearsheet magazine did speak about her being raised by a poor family (just her mom) and her first plane ride being at 15 because of that. And what is wrong with your talk is that you want an exact source for something that came out over 10 years ago, on someone who isn't that famous for an article to stay a float that long. Like I said Google it and you will find it everywhere. Again I say that you are so willing to change it and put 6 years old but not willing to put your own source...why? Because none exist that back up what you have said. Because that info was and is false.

As for my site, yes we have to put that because we have no contact with her as a person. Does she know about the site? Yes. She was emailed about it though her cousin and friends who we do have contact with such as Josye, Joana and Flavio. We have even sent gifts to her and her mother has received them and gotten them. We are even working on a reception book for her as an engagement present. http://adrianaflima.createmybb.com/showthread.php?tid=595

So she knows about the site as do her friends and family and even one of her fellow Angels (Selita) we have to legally say that because she doesn't speak to us directly. http://adrianaflima.com/gallery/index.php?cat=59 As you can see here she has taken images that her friends and family have sent only to us. Now I know you'll argue the point, but since you are not an Adriana fan you won't be able to tell those are exclusives but hang out on our board and you'll be able to.

Now I'm done arguing, any Adriana fan would look at the page and know it's right, I'm happy with that. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why you keep harping on how I allegedly insist on incorrect information. I reverted you twice in a short period, more than ten days ago, and never since; the reason was questionable references. This remains a matter of meeting the threshold at WP:RS. Doing a Google search is not enough. The policy explains why.


 * You say I am "not an Adriana fan" as if that is somehow relevant to finding verifiable references. I frankly don't see the point there.


 * You complain that I "want an exact source for something that came out over 10 years ago, on someone who isn't that famous for an article to stay a float that long." Yes, the policy on reliable sources does insist that you find the source. I'm sorry, but that's not up for debate. If there is no reliable source for claims in a biography, they might have to be removed altogether.


 * Anyway, if you are done "arguing", let's let sleeping dogs lie. In the future, any claim that is challenged will need to be back up by a reference that meets the various relevant policies, such as WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:BLP. I will leave the links with acronyms this time, since I'm tired of making piped links each time. -Phoenixrod (talk) 09:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity again
One more time somebody has changed this information. Adriana Lima herself reported to an interviewer she is of "African, Native South American, and Swiss heritage."

She never said to be of "Portuguese, French, Native South American, and Caribbean heritage". Many websites claim different ancestries to her. Some even claim she is part Japanese and Vietnamite...this is ridiculous.

If Adriana herself said her ancestry is "African, Native South American, and Swiss" I find NO reasons to report in the article that some other sources claim she is something else. The reliable source is the one she talks about this subject, in a Youtube interview. The other ancestries are just lias. Opinoso (talk) 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I also believe the claim of Portuguese, French, Native South American, and Caribbean heritage to be false, for reasons of making her sound more exotic than she really is, in the same way model agency profiles are always saying the model has green eyes, but unfortunately a die-hard Lima fan here will revert anything that doesn't suit her opinion and I'm not willing have a revert war. You can see my explanations on the matter in the "Wrong Heritage" section of this talk page. Mbinebri (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Who is the user putting the "fake" ethnicity there? Opinoso (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a moot point now. A user on AdrianaFLima.com sent me the link for a Youtube vid with Lima stating her own heritage, which shows that what the article originally said was correct all along, so I changed it back.   Mbinebri (talk) 00:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The actual year Lima began modeling for VS?
Out of curiosity, I looked around today for proof of when certain VS Angels began working for the company, and since this article has always said 1998, which made Lima only 16/17, I just thought I'd try and verify it, but I couldn't. AdrianaFLima.com has VS galleries going back no further than 2000, searches on modeling forums for 1998 VS pics yielded nothing, and searches for 1999 pics yielded a post with scans from someone stating the Fall 1999 catalogue was her first appearance, which makes sense because then she could have been 18. Here is the link: http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?s=&showtopic=1251&view=findpost&p=483458

Does anyone have proof of earlier VS appearances? The year should be changed if no one has anything. Mbinebri (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

She modeled in the 1999 Fashion Show, and started in 1998. You can find her 1999 VS fashion show pictures in our gallery at AdrianaFLima.com, and also footage of the 1999 show on her vs profile on vs.com, also she started working for them in 1998 which is pretty common knowledge. She didn't get into the fashion show until 1999 but was working in print for them in 1998. Also prior to the airing of the VS fashion show in 2001 there was no rule of age except 16 or over in the VS catalog, otherwise Karolina Kurkova, and Isabeli Fontana would have not appeared either. Also Adriana clearly says in a video last year at the Victoria's Secret fashion show that in 2007 "Nine years working for Victoria's Secret" Which makes 2008 her 10th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et51Wp6ITTw
 * 21-:30

She started working for the company in late 1998 which made her 17, as well as in her first VS runway appearance she was 17, not 18 because the shows use to take place in Feb. So she is mistaken on how old she was in the video :) But she did start in 1998, nine years ago but started with the fashion shows in 1999.

Also here Ed Razeak states they started shooting her when she was 16 years old :) So yes it was in 1998 like I stated :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQPkgTB_Vys 2:34


 * Is it "common knowledge" or a "common misconception"? I suspected the latter, and as much as you're going to hate it, Bahian, you just inadvertently proved me right.  As Adri says in the first Youtube vid you provided, 2007 is her 9th year with the company, but you're not doing your math correctly.  Let me illustrate by counting: 1999 (1), 2000 (2), 2001 (3), 2002 (4), 2003 (5), 2004 (6), 2005 (7), 2006 (8), 2007 (9).  You see?  1999-2007 does mark nine years and her claim to have been 18 when she started therefore checks out (for such a huge fan, you'd think you would believe Adri's own claims!).  And she even says, when asked about when she started walking for VS, nine years then adds nine years working with VS, meaning her catwalk and catalogue work started the same year.  Mbinebri (talk) 17:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

So you're going to take waht Ed Razek says who hired her out of total disregard? She was 16 when she started working for them. because let me illustrate your lack of math skills....you don't start 1999 1 year that would be like saying when a baby is born she's 1. WTH? No it takes time to get to that first year. 98-99 = 1 99-00 = 2 00-01 = 3 01-02 =4 02-03=5 03-04=6 04-05=7 05-06=8 06-07=9 07-08=10 So sorry she started in 1998, and working the runway in 1999 at the age of 17. She was right on the 9 years but mistaken about her age...and Ed was correct she started working for them at 16. Sorry but you were the one that counted wrong....


 * Are you suggesting Razek is a greater authority on Lima's age than Lima herself is? Razek has seen a great deal of models come and go and could easily have confused Lima's age with Fontana's as Brazilian models who began working for the company in 1999.  So what other sources do you have to back up that Lima began in 1998?  You have nothing.  No articles, no pictures, and your own video of Lima proves you wrong (I'm not even going to bother with your faulty interpretation of the years).  I'll take this to mediation later today to solve this problem.  Mbinebri (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

That's fine take it to mediation, but it's funny you used math but when I pointed out your flaw with the math you totally ignored it. And yes Adriana messed up because EVEN if she did start in 1999 which she didn't the show was in Feb of 1999 so she would have been 17 anyway and she says 18 so she was wrong....again do the math. So she started working in 1998, you have nothing to proove it was 1999...Adriana says 9 years if you count back you get 1998, and Ed even backed her up by saying 16. Adriana was wrong on her age no matter what. Also how is my false interpretation...so when a baby is born it's automatically a year old? No. She started working in 1998 so 1998-1999 equals 1 year then 1999-2000=2 2000-2001=3 2001=2002=4 2002-2003=5 2003-2004=6 2004-2005=7 2005-2006=8 2006-2007=9 2007-2008=10....I'm sorry how is that wrong??? I think your math is wrong...like I said take it to mediation I think you'll be surprised with the outcome. You have your faulty math skills to say 1999 but Adriana saying 9 years in 2007, and Ed Razeak backing up the fact she was 16 years old. Again here's a video backing up what I say saying he first runway was when she was 17...like I said http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lMHhKoNRCE 4:46 to 4:50 which backs up that even when Adriana said she was 18 EVEN if she had began in 1999 she was wrong. She got her age wrong. So yes she began when she was 16. In 1998...


 * Do you KNOW Lima was wrong about her own age? You pretend to (as always), but you don't, and it's funny that you state my math skills are faulty when you can't even keep Lima's age straight: at the top of this discussion you say she was 17, but at the bottom you say 16.  You're contradicting yourself because you don't know what the truth is.  And as for the dates, neither you nor I KNOW which way Lima counted them, but she says she was 18 when she started (and she is the ultimate authority on her own age, just as she was with her heritage, an argument you lost on mediation) and that lends credence to her starting in late 1999, as the scans I originally linked to back up.


 * I'll ask for mediation momentarily. Mbinebri (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok so even if you were right (which you're not) she started in late 1999 (uh how when her first fashion show was in 1999 or the company in Feb. Yes I know Adriana was wrong about her age...it's math...So again even if her career started in 1999 she was 17 years old when she walked...so no she wasn't 18. She was 16 when she started 9 years ago (now 10) which is what Ed said, and take 9 years away from 2007 and you get 1998...Ed even stated that she was 17 also when she did her first fashion show. So yes she was 16 when she started to do print for them, she then did the 1999 fashion show in Feb 1999 when she was 17 years old, and it's now in 2008 been 10 years since she's started with the company. The math adds up, Adriana herself said nine years, she was born in 1981 in June so again do the math. 1998-1999=1 year that is wear you are messing up. 1999 doesn't just automatically become 1 year like you stated above. Ed has backed up what she said was 9 years. So again if Adriana was right (which she's not) about being 18 she couldn't have taken part in the 1999 fashion show because she would have been 17. I'm sorry. But ed was doing a bio on her both times, and he's correct, and she even is right on the years. Sorry. I'm so anxious for mediation... here are the points that back up the facts She started in 1998 so do the math of Adriana's claim of 9 years (which she's claimed in 2 videos) 1998-1999 1 year and so on I think to believe she didn't mess up on her age, doubt ed razeak, and don't take into consideration rational and logical mathematics you will get a wrong answer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvpl2AeZoQ 1:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysYAeJAmlDw
 * Ed Razeak doing a bio on her stated her age as 16
 * Ed Razeak doing a clip on her stated her first runway show she was 17 (which mathematically is correct)
 * Adriana messed up on her age (Had she been right she wouldn't have taken part in the 1999 VS show that was in Feb of 1999, or the cotton commercial she did for the company that aired in May_early June of 1999 which was most likely filmed shortly before that considering commercials are shot about 3 months ahead of time)
 * And here....Adriana says in this 2006 interview she's been an Angel for 8 years...so 2006-8=1998, and I don't think she's going to mess up with Sharen Turney right there...now she wasn't a contract angel till 2000 but this does proove my point Miss Adriana has been working for the company since 1998...
 * Also...here is a video of Adriana and Karolina on "The Today Show" and Karolina says 7 years Adriana followed up by 9 years with Victoria's Secret...it's common knowledge and documented that KK started her VS career in 2000, so what's 2000-2 = 1998 Again...point proven
 * 53 seconds

Adriana opening and closeing segment first ever angel to do so.
Adriana this year in the Victoria's Secret fashion show 2008, opened the fashion show (1st segment) and then closed the first segment, which a video proving that fact has been posted. http://www.imeem.com/alessandracentral/video/1J-VXdSZ/amateur_video_footage_of_the_opening_vs_fashion_show_2008_sh/

now...if you look back at the fashion shows that have been done no other angel has done this. I don't believe it was done in 1995-1998, because the Angels were only created in 1998 so nothing before that point would be relevant.Now the "segments" were not as clean cut as the 2002 - Present shows, but could still be defined when the stage faded in and out.

The 1999 show in the first segment Carmen Kass opened, and some other model (sorry do not know name) closed as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYSWYclB2Rg

The 2000 Show was opened by Gisele Bundchen and the openeing segment was closed by Fernanda Taveres as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wcO_LHHgBE&feature=related

The 2001 show was opened by Karolina Kurkova and the segment was closed by Audrey Marney as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYbB0pwF9s&feature=related

The 2002 show was opened by Gisele Bundchen and the segment was closed by Some model (again no clue on the name) as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vm_Si2QI3w&feature=related

The 2003 show was opened by Adriana and the segment was closed by Naomi Campbell as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Qlt-m2wlI&feature=related

There was no 2004 show

The 2005 Show was opened by Gisele bundchen and the segment was closed by Doutzen Kroes as can be viewed at the beg (1:04) and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOfyKdC_mQ

The 2006 Show was opened by Gisele Bundchen and the segment was closed by Oluchi as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeu6nbCGFp0

The 2007 show was opened by Adriana and the segment was closed by izabel Goulart. as can be viewed at the beg and end of the video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ6emigs9n4

As above I posted the video which prooves Adriana opened and closed the segment which obviously as you can see has not been done before by Any angel. Now I don't expect people to look at all the videos, but if they cared enough too they could. But there is no better proof than this than all the videos I posted and etc. It's obvious no other angel has done this and this is quite the big deal and needs to be included in her page. That Adriana Lima was the first angel to open the opening segment and close it. Because it's quite obvious that's true and doesn't need to be deleted.


 * Do you remember the last time when you ran for help on an issue that clearly showed you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies, Bahian? If you do, you might remember that one of the things you were told was that the burden of proof is on YOU as the one inserting the information, so in the help page you went to, not only is it uncalled-for to call me "lazy" for not doing the ORIGINAL RESEARCH for you, but it once again shows your ignorance of Wiki policies and your refusal to acknowledge them (you won't even sign your posts!) when they get in your way.  It is not up to me to watch all these videos.  Is it laziness?  Obviously not; it's me recognizing original research when I see it and acting accordingly.  So until a RELIABLE SOURCE PUBLISHES that Lima opened and closed the first segment and it's the first time it's ever happened, it has no place in the article, whether you like it or not, because it is only info YOU researched.  Now if Lima having done this actually is notable, as you claim, then obviously a reliable source will mention it sometime soon and it'll be an easy citation without need for this arguing, so calm down and be a little patient!  And as the user who answered your question on the help page said, familiarize yourself with Wiki policy, why don't you and save us this hassle?  WP:OR Mbinebri (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but I'm going to continue correcting it and I will find someone who agrees, I'm sorry you even counted wrong above so I don't really count on you to know most of your stuff either. Most media was focused on heidi on the show, and it will show in the CBS show she opened and closed the segment so I don't know why you're saying it didn't happened...I mean it's right in front of you in the video...So until someone else says that it's not good information than I'm sorry I'll keep adding it because your lack of counting skills above displays you don't really know your knowledge on the subject. I'm going to be checking into this because it needs to be on the profile, and it's in video to claim she did it, and if any reporter wanted to look back and see that yes it's never happened before it would be. I'm curious to as what you'll do when the show airs and you can see in ANOTHER video she opened and closed, and I'm going to pray that they say something about it because I'm just going to laugh and laugh and laugh. Also as you pointed out in a bellazon link above, I dare you to ask all them if this was the first time this happened, because I'm telling you that all of them would say yes...now I know this doesn't work in Wiki someone's word..I'm not stupid. But, to me 6 CBS videos are a reliable source they show it has never happened before and I'll keep adding it till someone more qualified on Wiki tells me not too.

Third opinion
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 * Viewpoint by mbinebri: ....
 * After doing some searching, I began to doubt that Lima began working for VS in 1998: there were no photos, articles, or anything (from what I could find) to back the claim up. Instead I found scans of her apparent first appearance in the catalogues dated to Fall 1999 (which are linked to).  I requested more sources here, and Bahian showed up with the 2007 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show Youtube video of Lima's interview stating she had been with company for nine years and walked their runway also for nine years (and we know her first runway was 1999).  Counting backwards nine years from 2007 brings you to 1999, when Lima would have been 18 - and Lima clearly states in the interview that she began at 18 (and I see no reason for her to be wrong in this, as Bahian claims w/o reason).  This then backs up that the scans I found were from the year she began working for VS: 1999.  Bahian's argument seems to rest only on the possibility that Lima was wrong about her own age and that Ed Razek (VS exec) is right, although him saying Lima was 16 then contradicts that Lima would have been 17 in late 1998, so I doubt the accuracy of his statement and would hold Lima as the better (and supreme) source on this.  Hopefully that wasn't too detailed!  Mbinebri (talk) 22:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

If Adriana would have started in late 1999 she wouldn't have been even able to participate in her first fashion show which was was in Feb of 1999, which at the time Adriana Lima was 17 years old. Yes I know Adriana was wrong about her age...it's math...So again even if her career started in 1999 she was 17 years old when she walked...so no she wasn't 18. She was 16 when she started 9 years ago (now 10) which is what Ed said, and take 9 years away from 2007 and you get 1998...Ed even stated that she was 17 also when she did her first fashion show. So yes she was 16 when she started to do print for them, she then did the 1999 fashion show in Feb 1999 when she was 17 years old, and it's now in 2008 been 10 years since she's started with the company. The math adds up, Adriana herself said nine years, she was born in 1981 in June so again do the math. 1998-1999=1 year that is wear you are messing up. 1999 doesn't just automatically become 1 year like you stated above. Ed has backed up what she said was 9 years.Here are the points that back up the facts She started in 1998 so do the math of Adriana's claim of 9 years (which she's claimed in 2 videos) 1998-1999 1 year and so on
 * Viewpoint by bahian: ....

* Ed Razeak doing a bio on her stated her age as 16 * Ed Razeak doing a clip on her stated her first runway show she was 17 (which mathematically is correct) * Adriana messed up on her age (Had she been right she wouldn't have taken part in the 1999 VS show that was in Feb of 1999, or the cotton commercial she did for the company that aired in May_early June of 1999 which was most likely filmed shortly before that considering commercials are shot about 3 months ahead of time)

I think to believe she didn't mess up on her age, doubt ed razeak, and don't take into consideration rational and logical mathematics you will get a wrong answer.

* And here....Adriana says in this 2006 interview she's been an Angel for 8 years...so 2006-8=1998, and I don't think she's going to mess up with Sharen Turney right there...now she wasn't a contract angel till 2000 but this does prove my point Miss Adriana has been working for the company since 1998...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvpl2AeZoQ 1:58

* Also...here is a video of Adriana and Karolina on "The Today Show" and Karolina says 7 years Adriana followed up by 9 years with Victoria's Secret...it's common knowledge and documented that KK started her VS career in 2000, so what's 2000-2 = 1998 Again...point proven

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysYAeJAmlDw

53 seconds


 * Third opinion by Bradv:

Since this is a biography of a living person, all information in the article has to be attributed to a reliable source, or it should be removed. Since YouTube is not considered a reliable source, and there doesn't appear to be another source available, that sentence should be rephrased. I would remove mention of when she started for Victoria's Secret altogether, and just make mention of her first runway appearance. —BradV 03:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So youtube isn't a reliable source even when Mbrini uses for her ethnicity in the same article. But I can't use it when she clearly says she's been modeling for the company for 8 years in 2006 which makes it 1998 I thought her word was pretty reliable. I don't understand I guess...esp when the video is from MSNBC, and other youtube videos have been used before. I guess her fans know the truth that's all that can be said I guess.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 04:38, December 1, 2008


 * If there are other claims in the article that rely on YouTube sources they should be removed as well. —BradV  04:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not the verdict I expected at all, but thanks for the input, Bradv! Mbinebri (talk) 05:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Japanese!
Check out the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 video. Adriana is interviewed, states her heritage, and I am certain that she includes Japanese! I'm completely serious! I have it on VHS but I have been unable to locate a copy online. If anybody can find a copy of this online, please feel free to double check me on this but I am 100% certain that Adriana claimed to have Japanese ancestry! Thanks! --user:MorbidAnatomy (not logged in due to technical difficulties). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.178.109 (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed! I just watched the video and Adriana says, "my family is all mixed with Japanese, black, and West Indian." Again, it's on the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 video. Thanks. --MorbidAnatomy (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I added Japanese and West Indian to the article per this interview. Do with it what you will, I was just happy to confirm that she really did say that she has Japanese in her family mix (She may be mistaken/misremembering but I was certain that she said it herself--but a number of people on this talk page denied outright that she ever even said it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidAnatomy (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

That special has never been seen is they're anyway you can post it for all of us to see the correct info (as well as see the video) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 22:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * When the video is found for us all to verify, feel free to re-add these additional claims to her heritage. Mbinebri (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

"That special has never been seen" "When the video is found for us all to verify, feel free to re-add these additional claims to her heritage" It has been seen. I taped it when it aired on television. Just because you couldn't find it online doesn't mean that it is not available for viewing--look further than the internet! Wikipedia is all about verifiability--not YOU verifying things. Removing the edits just because you haven't seen the video personally is like removing edits from a literary article just because you don't own a particular book that was cited. I will re-add them now because I verified them and provided the source. If you find another source that refutes this, then that is the appropriate time for you to remove the information. As I said before, I only have it on VHS. I am not technology literate enough to know how to convert it to a digital medium for your viewing pleasure though. Short clips of this film can be found on youtube but the film is organized into sections by model. Obviously you need to find a copy of the segment on Adriana Lima.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I tell you what. I can improvise! I will use my digital camera to film my television as the interview plays, upload the digital footage from my camera to my computer, and then I will happily email it to anybody who wants it! Just type your email on my talk page and I will send you a copy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidAnatomy (talk • contribs) 05:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, forget the email idea...I did better. I gave myself a crash course in youtube and I posted the video on youtube for all the world to see (because apparently there is no world outside of the internet anymore). It is low resolution--I literally filmed my television as the video played. It takes several seconds for the audio to come in but you will see and hear exactly what I told you--Adriana Lima includes Japanese in her heritage. See it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXZdkNAx6sE Enjoy.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 06:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Please don't take what I said wrong. I didn't mean never been seen as in never aired. I know E! used to do swimsuit specials, in fact the 2003 show is VERY rare, every fan of every angel wants to see it. That's why I said it's never been seen. I did believe you before the video about her having Jap, Afro in her, because she's mentioned it before. She's mentioned other things as well that's not been allowed on this page. She's a HUGE mixture of things. I actually emailed you on youtube, to see if I could help you out on getting this special :) I've been a fan for almost 7 years and I have over 250 videos of Adriana, so I know the special is not available online, unfortunately, so I'd love to help or do something for Adriana fans and pother angel fans to see this footage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 08:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Adriana Lima is a big liar. She reports different ancestries is every single interview. One time is "Swiss, African and Indian", another time is "Japanese, black and West Indian".

In my opinion, she only wants to sell herself as an "exotic person", because this is good in fashion world. I think we should remove the references about her ancestry in this article, because not even Adriana Lima herself knows it. Many Brazilians have no idea where his/her ancestors came from, specially people from the Northeast, such as Adriana Lima, who are a huge mix of races and whose families are in Brazil for many, many generations. This is obviously the case of Adriana. She's just trying to be "exotic". We should remove all the cites about her ancestry, and leave her only as "Brazilian", which is what we certainly know she is.

I'm pretty sure she is 0% Japanese. Japanese immigration to Brazil is a very recent phenomenon. Most Japanese-Brazilians have recent Japanese ancestors (parents, grandparents). And most of the early generation did not mix with other ethnic groups, so most Japanese Brazilians look Japanese and have Japanese surnames, which is not her case. Moreover, she is from Bahia, very few Japanese settled there.

Adriana...say the truth, please! lol Opinoso (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that she is lying...I think people are incorrectly interpreting her statement. She says, "MY FAMILY is all a mix of...." That could simply mean that she has a distant relative somewhere who married a Japanese person, or something obscure like that. She does not say that she has any Japanese in her personal genetic make up--only that there is Japanese in her family. That is why I phrased my edit in the article the way I did. I was careful not to say that Adriana is part Japanese--only that she stated it is part of her heritage (which could be perfectly true without her actually being part Japanese)! I don't care what Adriana truly is, I only care about the fact that she truly SAID it.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * But, since she has reported different ancestries in different interviews, we should assume she is confused, lying or trying to "pass as exotic". Because a person who claims Japanese ancestry in a certain interview, and in another claims something else, we cannot take it seriously. If in a next interview she claims to be part Bhutanese and in another she is Sri Lankan, we will stay here forever discussing this.

So I suggest to remove all the heritages, and let's treat her as a Brazilian with unknown ancestry. Opinoso (talk) 16:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Adriana is not a liar, she's several ethnicities, some include French, carriebean, African, Japanese, and several others. Her grandmother is Japanese, and her grandfather is African (this was in a printed version of a Zeki triko interview) I think removing them all together is going to lead this article to be totally un reliable, it's gets to be more that way every time I return to it. It's going to lead people to not know anything about this woman. They're are early images of her, where you can clearly see the Jap, and African in her CLEARLY, and she's got a lot of different backgrounds in her, her grandparents on her mother's side are what i listed above and I'm guessing whatever she gets from her fathers side for the longest time I'm guessing she took that info from what her mother told her (up until a year a go she didn't even know her dad) (I know i do that with mine because like Dri I'm an only child) and so sometimes you get confused, but she has many ethnicites, and they are all over the internet including a list of about 10 that have all been pretty much common knowledge for quite some time. Swiss, African, Japanese, West Indian, Caribbean, French, and a few others I can't think of right now. Just because she thought of 3 in an interview doesn't make her a liar....(I know personally I have about 10 to 15 but I only list about 3 or 4 all the time, and sometimes they change because when someone asks I think off the top of my head what 3 or 4 to name) http://www.askmen.com/specials/2005_top_99/1.html http://i37.tinypic.com/2n8mzkk.jpg Like I said if this is removed it's going to make the article more unreliable than it already as As an adriana fan of 7 years and co owner of the biggest Adriana fan site online, I can look back when I first was an Adriana fan and look at this page and realize that there is several bits of info that's missing. Like now we don't have the year she started VS, we don't have all her ethnitcies, and a few other things, anything more is going to make it worse and worse... —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 18:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Adriana Lima is Brazilian. That's all. She does not even know where her ancestors came from, as many Brazilians do not know too.

She's from Salvador, Northeastern Brazil. She must be a typical Northeastern Brazilian, which is a mix of Portuguese, Africans and native Indians. Most Northeastern Brazilians are of old ancestry, I mean, their families are in Brazil for many, many generations, like 400 years or even more. Most do not know about their ancestry, because it's already impossible to trace it so far.

Her surname is "Lima", which is Portuguese and it's a very commom surname in Brazil. Lima is not French, not Swiss, not Japanese, not "Western Indian". Her father's surname is "Torres", which is also Portuguese or Spanish.

Adriana Lima looks like an ordinary person from this part of Brazil (despite the blue eyes). She's not exotic in Brazil, but outside of Brazil she might be (and she often used this "exotic" side to promote her career). I'm 100% sure she is nothing Japanese, because she's from Bahia and Japanese immigration to Brazil is a recent phenomenon, and was concentrated to São Paulo and Paraná, and most Japanese Brazilians have recent ancestry (parents, grandparents) and look Japanese, or at least half Japanese, which is not her case at all, because she looks like an "ordinary" Brazilian woman.

We must use reliable sources. If Adriana herself does not know her ancestry, and in each interview she reports a different heritage, she is confused or simply lying. We must assume she is a Brazilian of long generation and does not even know where her grandmother was born.

She is Brazilian and we cannot choose which ancestry we should list here or not, because they're all fake ancestries. Opinoso (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I somewhat agree with Opinoso, although I wouldn't say they're all "fake" ancestries so much as a variety of conflicting claims with the truth of each unknown. All that stuff about her having Caribbean, French, etc. heritage probably was invented by her agency early on to make her look exotic.  But claiming Swiss, Native Brazilian, and African?  That doesn't sound very exotic so maybe there's more truth there.  But with the addition of Japanese and West Indian, things start to get dubious.  Lima isn't being consistent, and when claims conflict with one another and none can be lent more credibility than another, it's probably best to remove it altogether so that the article can't be accused of spreading questionable info.  Not to mention, whether her heritage is stated or not doesn't impact her notability, nor does it detract from the article by not being there.  Mbinebri (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think calling someone a liar is off the deep end, you could simply say she could be mistaken. To call someone a liar based on no facts is going on the deep end. Calling them fake is going off the deep end as well...and if you want to go back to surnames we don't have any idea what her grandmother's maiden name was all we know is she was japanease. Her grandfather is African, you really can't base anyone's surname on anything because they're are many people who's names sound american mother and father and they come from Italian or some other background. I think Adriana's word is pretty good here, it would be the same idea of taking Adriana saying she was 5'7 when she was 15 (which she did) and now she says she's 5'10 well that must mean she's lying....uh no. It means she grew. The first interview she gave that Mbinebri posted was taped in early 2001, and the one that the other guy posted was from 2003, she can't be expected to remember exactly what she said to repeat it. She has alot of backgrounds in her just because she mentions only one difference, doesn't give anyone the right to call her a liar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 21:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

There is another answer. We could summarize the conflict at hand and put that in the article. A statement that reads something like: "Though of known Brazilian origin, confusion remains regarding her ancestry. Lima has indicated a number of different ethnic heritages in various interviews including, African, Japanese, Native American, and West Indian but none of these have been substantiated."

That way, the information is presented in a cyclopedic fashion plus it remains in the article (because it may be true) yet is presented as clearly questionable (thus the reader knowns not to rely on completely but to do further research if looking for a concrete answer). Thoughts on that? MorbidAnatomy (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought of that, too, Morbid, (and the article did at one point say something similar to this) but the problem there is that we would then have to find a reliable source saying there's conflict over Lima's heritage, or else it would be original research. And there really isn't much sense including info that's clearly questionable anyway.  Mbinebri (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I wonder if it is really necessary to cite this. If next month somebody claim she is half Sri Lankan, we will have to include this information there. I'm sure that, in the next 2 years, another 10 ancestries will come out. lol. I agree with Mbinebri: remove it all! Opinoso (talk) 21:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this issue is only causing unnecessary arguments over something that looks unprovable. Mbinebri (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm convinced. I removed everything about her ancestry and am pasting it here if later retrieval is desired: "to African, Native Brazilian, and Swiss heritage. During interview she has also included Japanese and West Indian in her heritage. " Anybody looking for clarification about her heritage can come here, read this thread, and leave just as confused as the rest of us! At least now we have a verified example of her stating Japanese and West Indian in her family in case it is ever proved to be true. By the way, I am working on getting that copy of the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 special transfered from VHS to a digital medium--just give me some time.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Honestly with the hatred in Opinoso writing, I don't even know why their here, all they do is cut down Adriana, which is not needed. Simple don't like her don't come here. I'll never understand such hatred from people, who feel like it gives them something to call others names...anyway, like I said this article has become full of no information and full misinformation, all I can hope for is fans can find guidance to my fansite, because I'm going to brutally honest this article doesn't include many things at all. By removing things it's being totally uninformative. I think with Adriana stating her own heritage (which gasp can be over 3 things, I personally have about 10 or 11) it's going to confuse many people and have a lot of people adding stuff because people feel it needs to be added...I'm such at some point this article will be Adriana Lima is a model....at this rate. Just keep in mind before you call people liars...which is just so rude it's not even worth discussing, that people usually don't repeat things over and over and over, like Adriana saying if she wasn't a model...she's said she wanted to be a pediatrician, a concert pianist, and a vet. OMG does that make her a liar because she didn't repeat her first answer...I think people need to keep that in mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 02:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't know about all of that, I just know that the information is available through this talk page, and the information seems to qualify as original research (which renders it unusable on wiki in it's present state). Even though I have been a huge fan of Adriana since 1998 when you get right down to it--super models aren't worth dwelling on--none of us will ever be close personal friends of Adriana Lima--we won't invite her over for brunch and discuss the contents of this website with her. I met my goal of providing verification of her statement about Japanese heritage, I put it in the article and defended it until other users made a convincing argument for removing it, so as the legal jargon goes: "stare decisis" and "res judicata." Let's all find a better topic for improving the article now.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

unfortunately through "Original research" we can't use it, because on my site www.AdrianaFLima.com we do have contact with a few "Special" contacts which could verify anything,(we have pics to prove it) but since they are pretty secretive we TRY and keep it under wraps but it's useful when it comes to matters like this. They can verify anything but that pretty much means nothing on Wikipedia...personally I wish that would be changed...but oh well :) This page IMO has become totally unreliable and a lot of useful info has been taken away, and it has led to a lot of false statements in the article, and a lot of "blanks" like I said it's going to take a fan site for someone to know what they want to know...this page used to be helpful now it's just full of incomplete information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 05:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You're clearly going overboard here, Bahian. Because a few unprovable statements have been removed, the entire article is now unreliable and has led to false statements?  That's ridiculous.  Both removals have been in the interest of maintaining article credibility on non-essential info, and if you can't see that, perhaps you are better off sticking to your fansite, because you've demonstrated a distinct bias and lack of neutrality on numerous occasions and if you disagree with Wiki policies and now deem this article unreliable, it doesn't make much sense to stick around and make things a hassle for other editors when you can just direct your focus elsewhere.


 * And as Morbid basically said, Lima (or any other model, for that matter) isn't such an important topic that we should lose our heads over it. Mbinebri (talk) 19:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well considering she's VS's biggest model next to Heidi Klum, senority and popularity and rising fast as becoming the next supermodel it needs to stay correct because her fame is building on a month to month basis. Things at are missing are vital...her year she started with VS, her ethic backgrounds, the fact she was the first model to open and close a segment in the show, and it will only fall from there...but again I guess I shouldn't care...more hits for the website, that she actually knows about...oh well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 21:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Bahianchic: Adriana is Black, Amerindian, Asian, and White. All the so-called 'ethinicities' you listed are Nationalities not race. She's multiracial. Leave it at that. "French, Japanese, Portuguese," etc are not Ethnicities but Nationalities. It's not hard. She's your ordinary multiracial Brazilian. I don't see what the big fuss is. Why is this so hard? -- Preceding comment was anonymous

Not every country is as stupidly obsessed with ancestry as the USA. Is she telling what she believes to be the truth about her family's ancestry. We must assume she is unless we learn definitively otherwise. Should it be mentioned in this article? Personally, I could care less. Unless one of her ancestors is some notable individual, it is irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant to every other Wikipedia article. But Americans are obsessed with this irrelevant trivia, so they want to categorize every person's ancestry rather than judging each individual on their own merits. It's sick and, frankly, anti-American, but so is a lot of what goes on in the USA today. So load it up! List every single country of origin she mentions. They are probably all true, and clearly, that is what the racists in the USA want to know. 71.62.54.243 (talk)