Talk:Adventure Time/Archive 3

Split suggestion

 * See The Simpsons and The Simpsons (franchise) for comparison. Basically it allows the TV series article to have a smaller scope and devote more time to the TV series.--Coin945 (talk) 08:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose at this time. I don't really think that there is enough info in this article to justify a split (for instance, the "Related media" section in this article is just a little bit bigger than the one on The Simpsons page). Furthermore, I also don't really know if there is that much AT-material out there to warrant a franchise article (although I definitely think an Adventure Time comics/books page is totally warranted). But perhaps I am a bit biased!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  01:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose There doesn't seem to me to be enough unique media to justify a separate section. Basically all of the current merchandise is associated directly with the television show in some way and people will almost always think of the show first and foremost and the other things as a product of that. ZincHead (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Wait until the series is over!
I suggest waiting until Adventure Time is over just so then we have all the episodes and the seasons available. - User:SquarePants122 —Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not how Wikipedia works, unfortunately.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  17:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2018
Change the episode number from 274 to 278. 173.71.202.162 (talk) 12:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Good catch.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  13:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2018
The series is the third longest Cartoon Network original series and the longest Cartoon Network series to have the most seasons and episodes.--AlmightyDF (talk) 16:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2018
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Infobox episode count
Can someone please change the episode count from the infobox back to 283? We don't count "Come Along with Me" as one episode, but as four, like with most CN shows from this decade (2010s). 2A02:2F0D:D01:A500:A4DE:4E12:CEB3:6728 (talk) 17:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I don't know why people are getting so obsessive about counting the finale as one when this has literally never been the case with multi-part eps before (especially those storyboarded by different teams).-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  19:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2020
"Can you add Adventure Time to the "Category:Post-apocalyptic animated television series"?" 68.132.72.68 (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I've added it to the main page.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  20:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Blu-Ray releases, home media
It says that it only seasons 1-6 were released on blu-ray but season 7 is also on bluray. Source: I have seasons 1-7 on blu-ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabbageranger (talk • contribs) 15:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

maindate
Wikiproject Animation has the parameter |maindate=April 5, 2020|, but "maindate" does not appear in the Animation list of categories. I hesitated to remove it, but we all know the date the article appeared on the main page of English Wikipedia. Other opinions?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 00:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed merge
Transcluding pieces of article content into other article is highly unusual. Transclusions are almost always reserved for templates, and even then, WP:TG advises against using that to mirror article content. Normally long-running TV shows have individual episodes listed on season articles, and don't have a page with a single giant list of episodes. They definitely shouldn't have both. Given that, there's not enough content at List of Adventure Time episodes to justify a separate article from Adventure Time, which is why I propose they be merged. -- Beland (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I'm not sure why you think the show shouldn't have both an overall list and season-by-season lists of episodes, as this does not seem to be the standard in any way. Many long-running shows have both, and many of the overall episode lists use transclusion from individual season articles. For lots of good examples of this, check out the featured lists section for episode lists. It's also worth noting that the list in question here is itself a featured list, meaning it was approved with this formatting. If the community has decided this formatting is worthy of FL status, it's probably pretty legitimate.
 * Also, on a different note: don't propose that an article should be merged for lack of content immediately after deleting a large portion of it. I'm not trying to assume bad faith; just allow the community a chance to respond to major changes before proposing further changes. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:37, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with that, especially given deleting the redundant content was what was made it clear that the article needed to be merged. In this case, restoring the content means merging would be silly, so they are essentially the same question. -- Beland (talk) 01:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose- Yo, can we add back what was deleted? I liked this wikilist and I even have it bookmarked as I use it frequently. It's nice to have a complete list of episodes all together. 98.249.5.215 (talk) 09:04, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose – Originally, I didn't have any content transclude from one page onto another; I believe that was done by . If necessary, we can just add stripped down info back into the article and ditch the transcluding. That said, I can't seem to find any info on WP:TG that says that mirroring episode content is forbidden. Regarding the bit about season articles and a list of episodes, I have no idea what you're talking about. I've worked on plenty of TV projects that have lists of episodes and articles for individual seasons (e.g., The Office, The X-Files). We've never run into a problem before, even when bringing numerous pages to GA or FA. Furthermore Adventure Time, List of Adventure Time episodes, and the individual season articles are all at the very least good articles, which means they've already gone through the gauntlet of community review. In the almost-decade that these pages have been on my watchlist, not a single person has ever raised an issue with having individual season pages and a master list of all episodes. I have boldly reverted your edits because they have disrupted an FL among other pages.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  17:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, maybe I just never notice the duplicate list of all episodes articles, as I've always navigated from the series page to season pages. AussieLegend points out that MOS:TVEPISODE actually says this is the right way to do it, so I guess that's how it should be done. The transclusion makes the pages quite difficult to edit, but it does prevent different copies from diverging, which always happens with duplicate content. -- Beland (talk) 01:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Merging a 70kB article into a 200kB article is never a good idea. See Article size. DrKay (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Yeah, no. A show that has 10 seasons, 283 episodes, specials, shorts among other things definitely has enough content to have a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FD10:A250:E946:B4B3:EF84:84D8 (talk) 17:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The only TV show articles I've seen containing a full list of episodes are those that only ran for less than 20 or so episodes. Adding in a list of 280+ episodes would be madness, and it would also bring up issues with WP:UNDUE by devoting a majority of the article's content to the episodes; all aspects of the show must be given equal attention, especially for featured articles like this one. ResPM come to my window 22:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Accolades of Television
I suppose that the awards nominating Adventure Time: Distant Lands should split into the corresponding article, because technically these two are not the same, and I don't think there are really nomination of AT after 2019. At least this is how I do in the Chinese article. - George6VI (talk) 03:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a good question. I've just been treating Distant Lands like an additional season (kinda like this), but I totally get that it might be best to split them off.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  03:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"Adventure Time" and its relation to "Distant Lands"
How do we want to treat the Distant Lands specials with regard to the parent series? I feel like most of the AT fandom sees them as specials, akin to something like a Christmas episode or the like. Personally, I don't see them as "spin-offs" or as an entirely new show, but I wanted to get a sense of what others think here.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  01:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Despite that Distant Lands is canonically AT specials, its debut platform changes from CN to HBO Max, and some broadcast details (e.g. WarnerMedia Entertainment, the distributor) are changed too. Some of these changes can be independently listed and it can cause confusion if they are all mixed together (till now, it seems like Pen Ward isn't the crew of Distant Lands), and the template Infobox television can replace "Infobox television season" if necessary. In addition, I think some statements mentioning Distant Lands, in Adventure Time, can be reduced properly. - George6VI (talk) 02:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I still think it's a little fuzzy to separate them completely. Muto is in charge, as he was in the final few seasons of the show, it's produced by CN Studios, it has many of the same writers, and it features the original voice crew, etc. It's just being distributed differently. I feel like they're very akin to something like this.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  03:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Some content I consider to translate back to this article
Thank to this Adventure Time article, as a Featured Article, I translated it to improve the corresponding article in Chinese wiki (title: 探險活寶), and it seems like it will become another Featured Article too. (The nomination process won't finish until Feb 9, but there are already enough votes) During the process of translation, there are some things added, such as clean-up and reordering; I think they may be some changes if I translate such changes back to here, so I list them here first.


 * 1) Merging duplicate refs, such as The Art of Ooo, Exploring the Land of Ooo, which are now scattered in refs and they can be only two refs in short.
 * 2) The paragraph sequence (bold indicating switched/changed comparing from original):
 * 3) * Premise
 * 4) * Development
 * 5) ** Concept and creation
 * 6) ** Production
 * 7) *** Writing and storyboarding
 * 8) *** Animation
 * 9) ** Cast
 * 10) ** Characters - like a duplicate mentioning
 * 11) ** Setting and mythology
 * 12) ** LGBTQ+ representation
 * 13) ** Title sequence and music
 * 14) ** Finale and Spin-off - aka the finale and Distant Lands
 * 15) * Broadcast and ratings
 * 16) ** Episodes - mentioning how it changed from Season 9 to Season 10 as a graph (example)
 * 17) ** Ratings
 * 18) ** Home media and streaming service - merging "Home media" and mentioning Distant Lands' foreign broadcast
 * 19) * Reception
 * 20) * Related media
 * 21) ** Comic books - similar as above, listing notable comics as graph (example)
 * 22) ** Other literature
 * 23) ** Video games
 * 24) ** Other merchandise
 * 25) ** Possible film
 * 26) ** Other appearances - merging with "Other merchandise"; mentioning the AT train from Taiwan in 2013-14 and the Thai CN water park (there are Commons images), before mentioning cameo and the Portuguese talk show
 * 27) * Home media

I hope it won't be too drastic if I really make this makeover later. - George6VI (talk) 08:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * These all look like good changes to me! I was the one who did most of the work on this and the episodes page, but I think your ideas are solid and will make both a bit more coherent (the graph idea, in particular is A+). The one part I'm hesitant about is the merging of references. Right now, the refs all have different page numbers. Would shortening them to just author+year+page work?-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  15:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The solution of different pages from a same reference book is quite easy, by using Template:R. I use this template, as well as to make a nested structure to use notes with references; as far as I remember, a same reference would have a same author and year. Unless there are other difference template settings, or I think that shouldn't be a problem. Actually, it seems like The Art of Ooo is referenced 11 times, 5 times of America Toons In, and 4 times of Exploring the Land of Ooo. - George6VI (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. That makes sense. I just wanted to check!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  01:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Gen. Quon here. George6VI, thanks for posting this. Honestly, the only reason the LGBTQ+ representation section is short on this page is that I put together a LOT on the Cartoon Network and LGBTQ representation page, so I didn't want to duplicate stuff. The idea was to write a little on the main page, then go into more explanation on that page. But, yeah, I wouldn't mind if that section is expanded, for sure. Historyday01 (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Good news, 探險活寶 successfully becomes a FA! Yay. I am glad to help out and I learned many things and info (many of which I never even thought or heard of) in the process. I hope it can really help more people to know more aspects about the show. - George6VI (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, congrats! That's really awesome, and I'm happy to hear your hard work has paid off.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  16:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

As I continue to update the translations that have been recently added here, I tried to add more "Commons-friendly" images in the Chinese article. I consider adding a gallery of David OReilly, Yuasa Masaaki and James Baxter in the "Animation" section (like this), yet the existing panel from Adam Muto's storyboard now seems doesn't fit and it may need to be placed in somewhere else. I attempt to add images in each paragraph if it's feasible, or at least as many as "allowed" images as possible. - George6VI (talk) 02:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We can probs ditch the Muto panel, since it's non-free. IMHO, I like the guest animator images a lot more, anyway.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  16:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2021
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2022
I think you should remove Adventure Time from the "Category:Post-apocalyptic television series" and leave it in "Category:Post-apocalyptic animated television series", so that we can make spacing in the live-action category. 162.83.222.231 (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Animated television series are television series. Live-action has its own category. Aaron Liu (talk) 09:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2023
Comedy Central aired this 79.98.116.34 (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure what you're requesting.--Gen. Quon[Talk] 20:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)