Talk:Adventure racing

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Discussion
I've added a section on AR race directing. It's from a document I started a while back and sent out to various folks for comment. Definitely a work in progress and may not jibe with every RDs MO; however, the point is to create a pseudo-standard for putting together a race instruction booklet or passport. I would love to see a checklist of sorts for putting on a race as well. Comments are appreciated.Jim Farmer 01:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this on VFD? I couldn't find it?Mark Richards 01:06, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm curious why it's up for deletion. There wasn't an entry for 'adventure racing', so I added one. No worries if it doesn't fit the criteria here, but I'd like to know why so I can avoid this later.


 * I couldn't find a mention of it on VFD - unless it is there, the notice should be removed. Mark Richards 01:06, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Who removes the notice?

Anyone can - why don't you? BTW, you can sign your edits using 4 ~ signs - Mark Richards 01:11, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Cool, I see the signature button, I'll give that a try. Thanks.--TrainDaBrain 01:26, 2004 May 7 (UTC)


 * Have fun, Mark Richards 15:40, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I do believe that discussion on the cause of Nigel's death does not belong in this article. (Safety section). Single mention is sufficient.

I believe the brief descriptions of the types of injuries and accidents helps provide an understanding of the type of risks involved in AR. It also highlights an important issue in AR -- the balancing of adventure/self-reliance vs. safety.

Hello, do you know why the references to the impacts that adventure racing has on the environment and the ARFE group were removed? Adventure racing gets very very close to the environment and I believe it's quite important that there is a discussion that gets started--or addressed--on its actual impacts, and what those of us who are in race management and racers ourselves can do about it...ARFE 14:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)ARFE

>Response. I agree with your point and reinserted a section on the environmental impact of AR. (btw, I didn't delete the initial paragraph). I suspect it was deleted as it read a bit like an ad for your group as opposed to an informative discussion. I would encourage you to expand the section with additional facual information re. the environmental impact of AR, as without it, I suspect the person who deleted you addition may again delete the section.

>Response. Hi John, Do you think you can contact me off-list? Our group would like to work with you on crafting some sort of data on racing and how it does affect the environment and what resources are available for people interested in that sort of thing--in the meantime, thanks very much for addressing the issue. Write to me at yishun (at) arfe (dot) org. Thanks--ARFE 22:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)ARFE

Removal of data
I made a couple changes to the page and I'll explain them here since there seems to be an effort to revert to original style. This isn't a magazine article so flashy quotes at the beginning of each section are very out of place. If you'd like to make a List of adventure racing quotes article, feel free, but they probably don't belong on this page, or at the very least, at the beginning of sections.

Also I remved the links to team pages. It's like putting on the Baseball article a selective of list of whatever teams editors choose to add. Not only will/would it become unbearably long, but it also doesn't belong on this page. Feel free to create individual articles for the teams or a List of adventure racing teams article, but an expansive article probably doesn't belong here. Jarfingle 20:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment re Removal of data/Bulk revert Discussion re removal of list of AR Teams
Instead of a "bulk revert", please make your case for re-inserting deleted text. Also, when deleting significant portions of an article, it is always helpful to state the case for doing so, as has been done here (apparently after the fact).

For my part, I agree with most of the removals. The new text regarding the environmental impact of AR did not add significant factual information. As suggested above, I agree it is an important topic (and one I had spent considerable time trying to craft without much success while writing the initial article that formed the roots of the current AR article). It should, however, include some type of significant factual information on the impact of races...such as the impact in past races, challenges in course design, etc.

The list of AR teams did risk a becoming a meaningless laundry list of teams, and is likely not fully consistent with the overall goals of Wikipedia. (I suspect a stand alone article of AR teams would soon draw fire as being meaningless and self-serving). I do recognize, however, that a list of team websites did contribute value, and for adventure racers was a resource to find other racers, as well as examples of how to design one's own site. To help fill this role, I will post a link to a list of adventure racing teams. I hope this will reduce any friction re the deletion.

Regarding deletion of various quotes, I personally enjoyed the quotes (I added the one from Dan Barger, so I freely confess my bias). I also believe "flashy quotes" are appropriate, and creating a page dedicated to adventure racing quotes, would not be a meaningful exercise without proper context. Nonetheless, I also think articles should evolve and when meaningful edits are made, I set a high standard prior to reverting.

John Turner 06:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi John,
 * Thanks, good point, I'll try to hit up the talk page beforehand in the future. Thanks for the thoughtful and effective resolution of listing adventure racing teams. Also, regarding the quotes, perhaps imbedding them in the article/sections might be a solution? I just took objection to them heading each section because it struck me as more promotional literature-esque (don't get me wrong, the quotes are great, but that's almost the problem!) or magaziney. Being someone who has just started to get the piles of college advertising junk in the mail, I simply may be oversensitive to this!
 * Jarfingle 07:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Over the past few years there was an extended debate about including various lists (list of racing teams, list of events, etc.) The approach for the last several years has to been to exclude any list of teams, but include a link to an external list of adventure racing teams. While I believe this is an appropriate approach, individual team names are often added (and then deleted by myself or others per the current editorial approach). I have deleted the category entirely to avoid the continuous edit and re-edit of the section. I speculate that the link I had added originally was of low value to a reader, supporting a deletion of the section in its entirety. As always, I invite other opinions to be voiced. John Turner (talk) 08:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Section for clubs?
Generally the addition of a list of links is inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines. However, if you are contemplating writing a meaningful text section, I'd go ahead and do so. If people don't find it worthwhile a discussion will start —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.205.144 (talk) 07:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see a section here devoted to adventure racing clubs. A large part of keeping this sport alive is the work being done by groups (mostly volunteer and non-profit) to introduce newcomers, and as a newcomer a way to find them would be very valuable. I'd argue more valuable even than linking to teams. I have a vested interest in this because I started and help run GMARA, but as a true non-profit our only goal is helping the community. I know there are many such clubs just in the Northeast - how about we get a listing here?

Thoughts?

Tcurtin 21:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of link tag?
The link section has been simplified by various users. Absent objection (and pending additional edits) I would recommend removing the tag. Please note any objections. John Turner (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Documentary
I have added a link to a short documentary about adventure racing done by the Philadelphia Inquirer. As there seem to be no other videos in this article, I think its inclusion is important as it gives readers a first-hand perspective into what the sport is like. -- 69.253.80.30 (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Orienteering
The article Orienteering is getting a makeover right now. Contributions are welcome. Also, I have tagged this article within the scope of WikiProject Orienteering. See the banner at the top of this page for links to the project and project talk pages. --Una Smith (talk) 20:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Section Regarding Events
I have deleted the section of article that linked to a list of AR events. Originally the article included a self-contained list of events. The list became large, and several editors commented that the laundry list of links was not consistent with wikipedia style standards. The list was then deleted, and replaced with an outbound link to an AR wiki, on which race promoters (or anyone else) could add to the list. This wiki appears to no longer be functional. I have therefore deleted the entire section until an appropriate alternative can be identified.

John Turner (talk) 02:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * We could have it as a list. List of adventure races? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Excessive Links - DMOZ solution implemented
Due to the excessive number of external links, I implemented the normal DMOZ solution. --Trident13 (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Some of the links are not particularly relevant - I'd suggest the site I run, www.SleepMonsters.com which has the most complete history of Adventure racing, going back to around 2005 and is the go-to source for information on the sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robthesleepmonster (talk • contribs) 10:53, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * SleepMonsters has some history back to 2005, but I have a comprehensive history of the sport going back to 1980, including images and television footage. The history on this page is inaccurate and heavily slanted toward Geocentric Pty Ltd's AR World Series and ignores many of the most important and influential races from 1980 to 2007. Ianadamson (talk) 04:15, 11 January 2022 (UTC)