Talk:Adwa

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Why is this at Adowa? It gets ~80,000 google hits, whereas Adwa gets ~300,000. 20k vs. 50k if "Ethiopia" is also searched for. I'm moving it now. &mdash; ዮም   (Yom)  |  contribs  •  Talk  04:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Italian defeat
"The complete devastation of the largest European army ever assembled in Africa until that time by an African power sent shock waves through colonial officies and ministries in Europe, and lit the beacon of anit-colonialism across Africa".

Yom - with all respect "assembled" does not mean the same as "defeated". The Italian army routed at Adwa was not the largest assembled by colonial powers in Africa prior to that date. Could you reword the sentence to clarify this. More importantly, the claim that the Ethiopian victory lit the beacon of anti-colonialism across Africa does not reflect the realities of that time and place. Ethiopia has every right to take pride in its crushing victory over Italian agression but the impact was localised and the neighbouring Muslim peoples do not seem to have been inspired by the independence of a Christian state. Regards. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.246.8.209 (talk • contribs).
 * Anon, I'm puzzled by your assertion that the Italian army at Adowa was not the largest colonial army until that moment. AFAIK, every other colonial (i.e., European manned or led) army sent to campaign in Africa until that time numbered in the hundreds, not the tens of thousands (which was the case of the Italians). The reasons for this were manily logistic: the African countryside could not support a large army, & the colonial logistical lines were too long to compensate this. Further, men sent to Africa were effectively unavailable for emergencies in other territories: if the French, British or Germans sent a regiment-sized unit to Africa, then needed to move it to another area, it would take several months.


 * Or do you know of a larger army fielded in Africa before 1896? The only ones I could possibly think of were the Anglo-Egyptian forces sent against Sudan, but then these might not be considered part of the "colonial powers". (Egypt at this time was not just another British province.)


 * The victory at Adowa was valued not by the Muslim world, most of whom could be considered Caucasian, but for the Black African world, who were struggling with the perception of European military invincibility. If you look at the quotations in Battle of Adowa, you will see that there was a very clear racist subtext to this battle, one that this victory shattered.


 * BTW, while Yom did contribute to the article about the Battle of Adowa, I am responsible for most of the content there. And what I wrote is based on the writings of published historians. If you don't like what is written there, do some research & show where the article is in error. -- llywrch 00:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The French deployed an expeditionary force of 37,000 men in 1830 to capture Algiers. Two French columns totalling 30,000 men occupied Tunisia in 1881. The original French expeditionary force to Madagascar in 1895 numbered 15,000 and was subsequently reinforced. The Anglo-Egyptian army at Omdurman numbered 25,000. The Egyptian troops present were British officered and trained, and were acting in pursuit of British strategic objectives. In short the Italian army defeated at Adwa (which numbered 17,700 and not "tens of thousands") was not uniquely large in the context of 19th century colonial warfare in Africa. 210.246.20.191 04:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Needs clarification of this town's woreda
I was about to replace "is a town and separate woreda" with "is a town and in the Adwa woreda" when I realized that the current phrase is ambiguous enough that I cannot decide.

Questions:
 * Is Adwa-the-town a separate woreda on its own, and Adwa (woreda) is another woreda on its own?
 * Is Adwa-the-town part of the woreda of Adwa (woreda) and there's only one woreda?

If anyone knows, then please clarify the article. The answer to this question is relevant to my project of updating all the templates, in this case Template:Districts of the Tigray Region. Platonk (talk) 02:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The battle of adwa
the battel of was started in 1828 196.189.69.86 (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)