Talk:Aegean Airlines

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Destinations should be moved to a separate page, right? ParanoidEyes 12:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Since the list isn't all that long, I think its ok to leave it where it is. -- Hawaiian717 00:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Aegean Airways website
Why is the website always down at the weekend? Does anyone monitor it ? This is the time when many people will be trying to book flights online.Hercules3 (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Aegean Airways website has nothing to do with Wikipedia suggest you email wwwcontact@aegeanair.com. MilborneOne (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Aegan's Learjet
I believe the Learjet 60 should be included in the fleet table, since it is mentioned on Aegean's magazine. Many other airline articles include the Learjet 60 in the fleet table. For example:
 * FAI rent-a-jet
 * Baires Fly
 * Aero-Dienst
 * Nobil Air

In other languages: Thakaran 14:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Senator Aviation Charter
 * Grupo Gestair

In my opinion, the Learjet 60 must not be listed as part of Aegean's fleet. Yes the aircraft is mentioned in the magazine but it is done on in a following section, not as part of the passenger fleet. In addition, the Learjet 60 is not mentioned in the official website of the airline. Also, it is never mentioned in the official Annual Reports of the airline. The only inventory counted are the A320 family and the OA aircraft.

Also, it is best practice in the industry not to count these aircraft as part of their passenger fleet. Please see fleets of other major airlines.

However, to satisfy the need to mention the Learjet 50, this is the reason why I include the sentence that Aegean owns a Learjet 60 and it is used for VIP travel and executive services. And also using the Blue Magazine reference. But the Learjet cannot and must not be part of Aegean Airlines fleet.

Konmarks 16:32, 02 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konmarks (talk • contribs)

There you go it wasn't that hard to state your opinion ;) I appreciate it and since there is no point in editwarring, I suggest we leave it the way you propsed and see if maybe someone in the future have a different saying Thakaran 14:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Racist incident
The racist incident in January 2016 made international headlines. Please don't just delete it. --Babelfisch (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Political Incident
The so called political incident that keeps reappearing on the page is a daily occurrence all over the world for the vast majority of airlines. Aegean's page seems to be the only one that seems to make a mention of such an incident in its own section. Is there a reason for it? Does it have to do with the airline? Is some particular contributor involved directly with this so called incident? — Preceding unsigned comment added by G.Koum (talk • contribs) 07:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Aegean's awards
Recently I added some of the company's awards in the article, then Jetstreamer reverted my edit invoking WP:NOTRAVEL. You can find the discussion that followed here.

Taking a step back, I'm personally ok with just adding the awards that seem more "notable" (to me at least...) like the ones by Skytrax, ERA and IATA, and maybe TripAdvisor as well having in mind its popularity. So I propose adding a paragraph like:

"Aegean Airlines has won multiple awards and has been voted as Europe’s Best Regional Airline in 2009 and for eight consecutive years (2011-2018) at the Skytrax World Airline Awards. In 2009 and 2018 the airline won the "Best Cabin Crew in Southern Europe" award and it has also been voted as the "Best Regional Airline" company for 2018 according to the Travellers’ Choice Awards of TripAdvisor. The European Regions Airline Association (ERA) has awarded Aegean the "Airline of the Year" 2004-05 and 2008-09 Gold Award, the Silver Award of the year 2005-06 and 2006-07 and the Bronze Award of the year 2000-01. The Airline has also received the Fast Travel Gold Award from the International Air Transport Association (IATA)."

Are there any arguments as to why any of the above awards shouldn't be mentioned in this article? Esslet (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, previous consensus at project level has agreed not to include skytrax in particular in these article due to not being a neutral award, its likely the other either fall into the same category or are just not encyclopedic. MilborneOne (talk) 16:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, it would be great if you could please provide a link as well so I can verify that. I thought I searched your WikiProject and found no consensus regarding Skytrax and its awards. Jetstreamer did not mention that as well and we had a long and informative(for me at least) discussion. And what does "its likely the other either fall into the same category or are just not encyclopedic" mean exactly? Aren't awards by the International Air Transport Association and the European Regions Airline Association neutral or encyclopedic? Esslet (talk) 17:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks Esslet I believe this was the discussion discussion although it had been raised before. Basically the airlines pay to join Skytrax, so not really neutral or a level playing field. I have not looked at the thers you mentioned yet but they may fall into the same criteria (they are both membership organisations) or are just not noteworthy. We can raise it at project again if you think this needs to be clarified. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, didn't really know that airlines pay to join Skytrax! Then again I'm no expert in the field, not even an enthusiast. I read earlier today the discussion you posted, but it seems that some users disagreed there with the removal of Skytrax ratings.
 * Ravendrop, for example, wrote that "it should be considered on a case by case basis." Bobrayner wrote that "interesting Skytrax ratings should be mentioned in articles" and Aviones de pasajeros wrote that "Mentioning awards where airline/airport is best in a separate Awards section is OK". And there's also that older discussion where AA, among some others, was also opposed to removing Skytrax links, mentioning that "Skytrax is a notable organisation providing independent research of Airlines and Airports". The question is, are there any sources discrediting Skytrax ratings? I hope you understand my point here...
 * The same question goes for the other two, I.A.T.A. and E.R.A. (and maybe TripAdvisor ratings as well). I'd be glad if you could please check them and let me know what your thoughts are and why.
 * And, yeah, I guess it would be great if you could raise it at the project again and hopefully come to a decision about Skytrax and the others, because this certainly needs to be clarified. Moreover, until then, it seems only fair to me that the paragraph should remain on this article, given that Skytrax ratings are already included in several other articles (gave two examples here) -or should be removed from all articles. Otherwise, we are discriminating between companies. Let me know what you think about that last one as well please, thanks for your time! Esslet (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that subjective awards like "best airline" are probably not encyclopedic. I would also be suspect of any award issued by an organization that requires membership, like Skytrax or IATA. I am ok with objective awards like "fastest growing", though I don't think that they belong in the lead of the article. I also disagree with the idea that because other articles have potentially unencyclopedic content (i.e. the Skytrax awards), we should leave similar content in this article. Until we can gain a consensus, I would recommend leaving the contentious content. Sario528 (talk) 13:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * A lot can change in a year and much more can change in 6 years :) I haven't been involved in the project for a number of years so if there have been other discussions and consensus, take what I say with the relevance or irrelevance it may carry. Skytrax is a much more notable organisation today than it was 6 years ago when I supported the argument that it was notable and a bit surprised that Esslet has quoted me from all those years back :) Today, many major news outlets across the world cite Skytrax awards in broadcast and print media including the BBC, which sees fit to mention Skytrax as The granddaddy of airline rating sites in it's travel column and again here where it mentions that Skytrax conducts a "survey of 13 million passengers". Also, CNN, Economic Times of India, the UK's Financial Times, Forbes, The Guardian and many more. It may be so that airlines have to be a member of the organisation to be considered for awards (though the Academy Awards is even more limiting but still cited for the people who receive them) but if other news organisations see it fit to cite Skytrax and 13 million passengers are voting for the awards then I would suggest we can also cite where appropriate in articles and revisit the discussion and update to the current world view of Skytrax. → AA (talk) — 01:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it needs to be revisited at project level to see if consensus has changed. MilborneOne (talk) 08:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

It's been about 3 months now, so are there any developments? Any new discussions on your wikiproject? AA above seems to have provided some well-documented, independent support for the Skytrax awards, so are there any specific objections to that material? Esslet (talk) 12:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No one has initiated a discussion and there's no restriction on who can do that. You could start a thread in WikiProject Aviation with your proposal and get the ball rolling. → AA (talk) — 15:03, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Source for Aegean's ATR 72-200
I can't seem to find a source that specifies those planes were ATR 72-200. The official website called them just "ATR 72" at the time (https://web.archive.org/web/20030620101025/http://www.aegeanair.com/aegeangr/company/airlines.html) which technically could mean ATR 72-100, -200, or -500. Is there a chance that source is fine? cc Jetstreamer —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 20:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As you point out, there are no distinctions between the different versions so the use of the reference is at least ambiguous.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 22:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah... even press releases from the Aegean-Cronus merger don't specify the type. Wondering if images of the aircrafts with the Aegean livery are usable, since the type (ATR 72-200) is painted on the top of the tail. I don't think there is anything else. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 10:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid images are not considered reliable sources.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 14:17, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Is Aegean really the "flag carrier of Greece"?
Although a few sources (but not the company's own website) refer to Aegean as the flag carrier of Greece, I'm not sure this is a valid claim. Aegean is privately owned to its entirety, and to the best of my knowledge enjoys no special privileges. It was also never state owned, although it has acquired Olympic Air (prev. Olympic Airlines, which was definitely the greek flag carrier). Christos.porios (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ref #12 clearly says so. We do not interpret what sources say per WP:VNT.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 12:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Long range A321neos
@Jetstreamer Aegean announced that 4 of the 17 on-order A321neos will offer long range capabilities with extra tanks + flights up to 7.5 hours. They don't specifically mention the type (A321LR or A321XLR). Is it safe to change the type as A321LR given its range is closer to the 7.5 hours or just keep it as I added it with split 13+4 A321neo orders until it's clarified? —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 12:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think so if the airline did not mention the type explicitly. Is it possible to find another source?--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 23:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope for now. All sources that explicitly say A321LR look like they just assume it based on that max flight hour comparison with the XLR which is 11 hours. Well I guess they'll clarify at that media event they mentioned, which should be done by June. —Dimsar01 <b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b> ⌚→ 15:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)