Talk:Aer Lingus/Archive 1

C-47 Dakota crash
This Wikipedia article seems to be the only source online for the apparent second crash, and indeed I really doubt it happened as Aer Lingus didn't operate US military aircraft - which the C-47 was.

I did, however, find reference to an Aer Lingus DC-3 - similar aircraft - crashing in England not Wales, in 1952 not 1957, with 23 fatalities of 23 on board. The site lists only one other crash for Aer Lingus, namely the Tuskar Rock one. Theres a fair few other references to the crash happening, so I guess this is it.

Additionally: has 8 incidences down for Aer Lingus, five non-fatal, none in 1957. --Kiand 18:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Tuscar Rock/Irish Aviation Authority
I am not too sure how the Irish Aviation Authority created a report on Tuscar Rock as the authority was only created in 1994 apparently? Was it a review in recent years? Djegan 20:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've rewritten this reference to (hopefully) make it clearer. The original report dates from 1970 - there was a review by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (part of Dept of Transport, not IAA) in 1998 and a new report by independent experts commissioned by the Gov't and published in 2002. Ecozeppelin 08:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Incidents and Accidents
Added some more info about runway incursion - seemed inadequate with just the original statement (especially comparing the detail used above), despite linking to full page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (talk)

Hijacking
Details on Hijacking please~? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.206.1.17 (talk) 16:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

Current Event?
Why is this article under the label "Current Event"?

I have removed the "current event" label. As far as I can see, there is no current event relating to Aer Lingus. If anyone disagrees, let me know. Kaiserchris 11:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Its the logo of a company, hbe able to figure that out for yourself and that that is as good reason as any for retention of said image? Rather than slavishly following deletion policies (and creating excess edits in the process) it might be a good idea to actually use your own intiative and provide a rationale yourself. Be pro-active. Djegan 16:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It can't. It's a bot i.e. it's automated. It's looking for real people specificaly to go out and save those images by posting here. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 06:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

New long haul routes???
The long haul routes section mentions that there is speculation that Aer Lingus will announce new long haul destinations at the end of 2008 with the arrival of new long haul aircraft. However, a recent press realease stated that the long haul fleet would be staying at the current level of nine this year and newer aircraft would replace older ones. The airline is also cutting long haul capacity this year thus stopping any attempt at long haul expansion.

The chances that Aer Lingus would start new routes to the Far East and South Africa in the medium-term are very slim due to the lack of suitable aircraft; The new a330-300s would not have adiquate range to reach the Far East, this fact is also not helped by the short runway in Dublin which does not allow these aircraft to operate at maximum range thus any expansion would have to wait until 2014 at least.

The current high oil prices are the nail in the coffin for long haul expansion. As we have seen, Aer lingus' longest route to LAX will be suspended from November due to high oil prices and it is unlikely that they are going to start new unproven routes to even farther destinations.

Overall, it would be nice if the carrier spread its wings farther afield but I don't think that this is going to happem any time soon. I would like to see some more information on this subject and where the speculation is coming from.Dc10fan (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge of destinations article into destinations section
I can't see any discussion on here for the proposal to merge Aer Lingus destinations into the destinations section of this article. Per WP:AIRLINES page content guidelines, Once an airline has more then 10 destinations, especially international ones, they could be listed in a stand alone article. Therefore the current setup, with a separate linked destinations article, appears to me to be the best and recommended option. Either way, the destinations list should only appear once as it is illogical for two separate lists to require updating whenever a change occurs, so I have removed the list in this article while the separate destination article exists.SempreVolando (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the proposer just added the merge tags but did not comment on the reasons. Agree with your actions as we have a separate destinations article no point in duplicating the information.MilborneOne (talk) 21:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, since there have been no further comments and the separate article appears to comply with WP:AIRLINES recommendations, I have removed the merge proposal. SempreVolando (talk) 17:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

IAD Focus City??
I noticed that IAD was listed as a future focus city. Aer Lingus will just fly to 2 desinations from Dulles (Dublin and Madrid) and only 2 destinations barely counts as a focus city. Charmedaddict (talk) 05:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

One of the flights is operated for UAL and marketed solely to UAL. One cannot buy the tickets via EI. Thus, EI operates but one flight. With that logic, every destination is a focus city. And unless someone should change 'um all over, IAD shouldnt' be a focus city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.245.250 (talk) 00:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Total Speculation
The EI article links to link number 24 as if to cite that the DUB-SFO and SNN-ORD flights look as though they may be cut. Not only is this not true, but it goes against what AER LINGUS has said in the past. For example, they cut the LAX flight shortly after they got the SFO route. Recent news articles point to surprisingly high load factors on the flghts to SFO. And, when the new Terminal II opens in Dublin Airport, they may REOPEN the DUB-LAX flight.

Please change this, and please don't put links that supports the information if it doesn't support the information. That's really nothing more than personal speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.245.250 (talk) 14:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Retired aircaft
I removed the A320 and A330-200 and -300 from the retired aircraft section (twice) as they are still in service. An aircraft type cant be active and retired at the same time. Please note individual aircraft are not notable. Comments welcome, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 22:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments
They are notable as i have found them to be. a new section or something could be made to make it noticable/obvious that they used to operate these aircrats. also an aircraft type can be active and also removed from service such as this obvious example: EI-LAX (Actice a332) - EI-EWR (removed from service a332) any more sejestions welcomed but this will be made noticable on the page (sorry for spelling) Thanks --Msmyth (talk) 13:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry an aircaft type can not be active and removed from service at the same time and the A320 A332 and A333 are still active types. Please remember this is an encyclopedia and not a plane spotting site. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You make no sense i didnt say it was a plane spotting page. those aircraft have been retired and it should be made notable. i will let you make a note or whatever on the page and as of this moment i will not do anything for 1 week regarding this isue and i will let someone else add this to the page.


 * Once again, Thank You for understanding etc.


 * --Msmyth (talk) 10:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you dont understand the plane spotting references which was making the point that the place for indiviudal aircraft histories is catered for by the many plane spotters websites, the being an encyclopedia individual aircraft are not normally notable. If you can provide information on why EI-LAX and EI-EWR for example are notable for some reason, you may be interested in the list of reasons in WikiProject Aviation/Registrations and the guideline at WikiProject_Airlines/page_content. MilborneOne (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

9,99 Pound

 * "05. Nov - 08 Dec '09 Warsaw, Bucharest Vilnius Price one way incl.taxes and charges £9,99" (metro.co.uk 2.10.2009)
 * "05. Nov - 16 Dec '09 Malaga Faro Eindhoven Knock Vienna Munich Zurich Price one way incl.taxes and charges £9,99" (metro.co.uk 2.10.2009)
 * Fliegen Sie auch die Strecke London nach Einhoven (455km) Zurich (551km) Munich (312km) Vienna (388km) Warsaw (600km) Bucharest (984km) -- Vienna to Bucharest (905km) -- mit einem Flugzeug und mit Zwischenlandungen in Einhoven Zurich Munich Vienna Warsaw Bucharest?
 * http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obel01im1/Corporate/obe_routemap_eur.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1444020691.1254563664@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdcadeihiidimecefecfigdffgdfki.0&P_OID=-536881153&Category=0
 * Ihre Webseite zeigt fuer diesen Zeitraum noch fuer "one way incl.taxes and charges" £31 an.


 * http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obel01im1/bookonline/flightInputLookupDispatchAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@1959820209.1254561603@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceadeihiifgkkcefecfigdffgdfkk.0
 * 82.109.84.114 (talk) 09:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Aer Lingus and Aer Arann Merger?
I recently heard that there was talks of Aer Lingus merging with Aer Arann and to use the current Aer Arann fleet and staff on its domestic routes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.222.135 (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

LGW
Since Aer Lingus is cutting routes at Gatwick, are they going to keep calling it a base? Snoozlepet (talk) 04:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I am aware they are still basing aircraft and crews at Gatwick, so yes still a base. MilborneOne (talk) 13:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Washington DC a base??
Someone has added IAD as a base for Aer Lingus. The airline no longer serves the seasonal Dublin-Dulles route and its only destination from Dulles is to Madrid. The flight is a codeshare flight with United and IAD is a hub for UA. If anyone can provide a source saying IAD is a base then feel free to readd with a source. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Hijacking redux
There are two explanations offered for the 1981 hijacking. One indicates that a Trappist monk hijacked the plane and requested that the Pope reveal the third secret of Fatima. The other explanation is that someone wanted to go to Iran. Any comments? TreacherousWays (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll answer my own question - 'twas the same nutter! TreacherousWays (talk) 19:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Fleet incomplete
The fleet list seems to have only the current long-haul aircraft. For flights between Ireland and the UK, I am currently being offered "Aerospatiale/Alenia ATR 72" in addition to the aircraft listed. 174.60.75.146 (talk) 03:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Canada
Aer Lingus' latest newsletter shows 5 new routes to Canada (Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Vancouver, Winnipeg) in partnership with United. should they be added to destinations now or wait for some sort of anouncement? IRISH wiki 15 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they are only served by a interline agreement, like about 40 other destinations in the US with JetBlue and United. They're not actually served by Aer Lingus at all, and are not direct flights, so therefore they won't be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footyfanatic3000 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

employee shares % and irish taxpayer subsidies for decades and Kennedy remark
There needs to be discussion of why 15 % of the shares were given to the employees on privatization?

I read somewhere also that Aer lingus was like Concorde- a vanity project and that every flight in its existence was heavily subsidized by Irish taxpayers-anyone got a reference for that? A discussion of the share price would be useful. and of recent and long term human resources unrest and entitlement.

also there was a CEO David Kennedy remark early on(1970s?) that it "would be impossible to ever offer flights to London for less than 200 pounds"-anyone got a reference ? without such grubbier details the article reads like a PR puff a bit --— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 03:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

XKCD
This article is currently referenced in the alt text of XKCD (http://xkcd.com/1193/) 78.70.122.234 (talk) 14:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC) More relevantly, the content of the article influences XKCD comic #1193, thus providing an incentive for vandalism. 131.91.4.14 (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Board of Directors
Disclosure: I'm an employee of Aer Lingus. Would it be appropriate for another editor to include a section naming the current Board of Directors? Shamrock1936 (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Paul Carberry incident
1 October 2005 Paul Carberry set fire to a newspaper on an Aer Lingus Malaga to Dublin flight. I don't know the flight name. Mobile mundo (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)