Talk:Aerial tramway

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(cur) (last). . 01:08, 18 Aug 2003. . Vancouverguy (Singapore gondola is not an aerial tramway)

Who says it isn't? It sure felt like one when I travelled on it! It uses gondolas carried on cables from the top of Mount Faber via a tower at the harbour and across to Sentosa Island. In what sense is that not an aerial tramway?????? Lee M 18:44, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Just a thought: could it be, that it is a Gondola lift? Can you describe it better, or is there a link in the web to Fotos? Thanks, Fantasy 21:55, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * Um, yes,now you come to mention it, the description does pretty well match my recollection of the Singapore cable car. Until now I had never considered the distinction between an aerial tramway and a gondola lift, and neither I suspect would 99% of the people who use them. - Lee M 02:33, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * A picture of the Cable Car in Singapore can be found at http://www.jdborges.com.br/photoalbum/singa/images/cablecar.jpg, which is a bi-cable gondola lift Those knowedgeable on the subject shoud agree that an aerial tramway is a spacific type of aerial lift - not just an broad term. Vancouverguy 02:42, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the image. To me it looks like a Gondola lift. Just to give you my interpretation: In German there is a distinction between a "Seilbahn" and a "Lift". The Gondola is the problem. If there is an open seat, we call it "Lift", if it is two Gondolas, it is a "Seilbahn", If there are more then 2 Gondolas (e.g. Singapore), some call it "Seilbahn", some call it "Lift"... Where do we draw the line? Fantasy 07:55, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me needs to spell out the difference between a gondola lift and an aerial tramway, preferably both in this article and the one at gondola lift! [[User:Grutness|Grutness hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|30px|]]]] 12:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Quoting the explanation by dramatic at Talk:Gondola lift for reference. Gestumblindi 02:38, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) :
 * As the aerial tramway article says, it has a fixed cable on which the cabin runs, and another cable which does the pulling. This design can usually only accommodate one or two cabins. If two, they are often counterbalanced to each other. A Gondola lift, however, has no fixed cable, just a lopped moving cable to which the cabins are affixed. dramatic 09:12, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jackson Hole

 * Regarding Jackson Hole link to Teton Village - Jackson Hole redirects to Jackson Wyoming, it shouldn't. These two are really not the same. Jackson is the name of the town. Jackson Hole is the name of the ski resort. The Jackson Hole ski resort is in Teton Village, Wyoming.  There is another ski hill in Jackson, Wyoming, (Snow King) that is considerably smaller than Jackson Hole.  Jackson and Teton Village are about 10 miles apart. --rld 69.5.156.155 21:28, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC) 21 Jun 3004
 * If I recall correctly, the tram cars at Jackson Hole ride on steel bars, not cables. Is this unusual or is this normally the case? A cable does pull the cars. rld 69.5.156.155 21:28, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. According to the picture at http://www.jacksonhole.com/tram/, the passenger cabin seems to ride on cables as usual. Do you mean the steel bars on which the cabin is moving up and down the support cable (pulled by the second cable)? They are normal. Gestumblindi 01:30, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Swiss Trams moved
I've moved the extensive list of Swiss trams to List of aerial tramways in Switzerland - the list was extensive, comprehensive, and very very long for a non-list page. It's linked to under the Switzerland heading. Important or separately notable Swiss trams are still on the main page. --ABQCat 18:42, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Thank you, you are right, it was indeed a bit long for this article ;-). Gestumblindi 23:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tochal tele-cabin
Tochal tele-cabin in Iran is a gondola lift, not an aerial tramway.


 * Yes, it looks indeed like a gondola lift at http://www.tochalcomplex.com/, I'll move it to the gondola lift article. Gestumblindi 11:11, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Moanda-Mbinda cable car
This was apparently the longest cable car in the world. Does anyone know whether it was an aerial tramway or a gondola life? Either way, it should be included in the relevant article. Warofdreams 18:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

mining tram with bucket cars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Norsjö, Sweden
There is a ropeway in Norsjö, Sweden which was the world's longest when it was completed in 1943. It was used for transport of ore. today it is a tourist attraction where part of the ropeway (13 kilometres) is used for tourists. Should this be mentioned in this article, or better somewhere else? link with more info, mostly in SwedishAEriksson 09:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

As of 2017, the passenger traffic has stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.251.82 (talk) 19:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

According to the definition the Norsjö is not an arial tramway. It has loose gondolas drawn with a cable on an carrier cable. I do not know if the sorry remains has many pulling cables or only one, the original had many, and many loading and turning stations along the line, was built for the carriage of ore (mainly copper and zink with a hefty proportion of gold impurities.

In my humble opinion it is the definition that is wrong.Seniorsag 21:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Heights of Abraham
Heights of Abraham is listed on both this article, and the gondola lift article. If someone knows which it is, please remove it from the incorrect list (and correct the Heights of Abraham article as necessary). --Vclaw 12:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Removed Text
Here is the text that I removed:

Persian: تله کابين

Madmaxmarchhare 17:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

list of accidents
For the 2005September 9 accident in Sölden, Austria: I hiked by the site on 2005September 13 and was shown by passing professional guides which lift was struck by a small building part carried by helicopter. It looked like a gondola lift to me. I found online video and more in-depth reporting than CNN (which called it a cable car) clearly showing a gondola.

What's the conventional wisdom here? Should this incident be moved to the gondola article? — EncMstr 19:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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History
Does anyone know when the first aerial tramways were built? I was surprised not to find this information in this article. -- Evertype·✆ 08:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Whistler Peak to Peak - new record(s)
Shouldn't the longest-span record now belong to Whistler's Peak-to-Peak gondola? http://ww1.whistlerblackcomb.com/p2pg/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.181.65.91 (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Future
The future section should not be in this Aerial Tramway Wiki article as the proposed public transport developments are Gondola Lifts - not Aerial Tramways. It is a small but very important distinction. nex416 00:53, 03 January 2011 (UTC)

US English?
I have NEVER heard a cable car referred to as an aerial tramway in my life here in the US. Its always been cable car wherever I go. And Ive been on quite a few of them. It might be fine as a technical name, but it is definitely incorrect as a US term. I think you can safely go on the street in any city in the US and ask what an aerial tramway is and you will get puzzled looks and maybe people will guess that you mean cable car.--Metallurgist (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a UK term either. Possibly fails WP:Commonname. --Project Osprey (talk) 08:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Record measurements not explained
For example: "35 km (22 mi) 1906–1927 Chilecito – Mina La Mejicana, Argentina (34.3 km or 21.3 mi and 0.86 km or 0.53 mi branch)."

What is the 34.3km measurement? Is that the more accurate measurement and 35km is just the approximation? If so, the information would be briefer if we just used one of them.

What is the .86km measurement? It says "branch" but does not explain what that means.

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Defective lead sentence
The lead sentence is this: "An aerial tramway, sky tram, cable car, ropeway or aerial tram is a type of aerial lift which uses one or two stationary ropes for support while a third moving rope provides propulsion. " In contrast, the cited source says that these terms are not synonymous: "Aerial Tram and Cable Car are not synonyms for the same technology. And every time they’re used as synonyms, it only complicates matters for people who are actually trying to understand the technology." Whether the cited source is entirely correct is another matter, about which I have no idea. In any event, if the present lead sentence is correct that "aerial tramway" and "cable car" are synonymous (despite what the cited source says), then there should not be two separate Wikipedia articles for them.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Tramway on Kailasagiri, Visakhapatnam
The attached photograph shows a single (loop) cable lift: the cars don't have wheels and don't run on stationary cables - probably shouldn't be on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laos (talk • contribs) 22:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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Reversion of move
Unfortunately, I've had to revert your move of Aerial cablecar, as it's potentially controversial. Per WP:RMUM, a page can be moved without discussion if, among other things, There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and it seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move. There is no single name for this, sadly. I have heard this subject be called, among other things, an aerial tram; a cable car (which can be confused with a cable car (railway)); a gondola; and even an aerial lift. Although there indeed hasn't been any recent discussion on this topic, the move may be controversial, since this is a vital article and receives high numbers of views.At this point, I think an RM discussion would probably be the best option forward. Epicgenius (talk) 14:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)