Talk:Affirmation (declaration of truth)

Negative affirmations
Are all emotional affirmations positive? I believe negative affirmations based on negative self-image are also a common form of affirmation. Would anyone object to me putting an edit in along these lines? Indigowords 18:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Be bold! If you have a reliable citation to back up your addition, it's more likely to stay than anything else in the article.  -- Siobhan Hansa 02:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Affirmation in Law
There is a right to "affirm" rather than swear oaths in United Kingdom law. This right has developed since the 17th Century (An Act that the Solemne Affirmation & Declaration of the People called Quakers shall be accepted instead of an Oath in the usual Forme  William III, 1695-6) and is now embodied in the Oaths Act 1978.

Does this right exist anywhere else than in the USA and UK? === Vernon White (talk)  00:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Would it not be valuable to separate the senses of "Affirmation", with separate articles for the logical, legal and personal development? === Vernon White (talk)  10:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have now started an article "Affirmation in Law".  Vernon White  . . . Talk 21:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Are there several articles here trying to get out ?
It seems to me that the "personal development" aspect of affirmation does not sit well with the Logic and Law senses. Unless anyone objects, I will start new articles on the logic and law topics and link them and the "personal development" page to the DAB page that already has some other concepts defined. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 22:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that mixing these very different topics in the same article is terrible. I prefer leaving the law and logic topics here, and setting up new articles for the other topics. But the risk with that approach is that the new articles will be promptly nominated for deletion, and we may end up with them being inserted back in here again...
 * --NSH001 (talk) 23:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have also asked for some "cite reference" tags to the "some say" type comments and added a "Original research" tag to the article. Vernon White  . . . Talk 22:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I started a new article "Affirmation in logic", which, of course was almost immediately tagged for speedy deletion. Boo!. The article on Logic and Proposition are not particularly helpful, the latter badly needing a spring clean. The new article Affirmation in Law has not yet been blasted for deletion. This will probably happen during the small hours of UK time.   Vernon White  . . . Talk 22:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I had in mind leaving law and logic here, and moving the other stuff to new articles (admittedly difficult to do, as I would then feel obliged immediately to tag them [the new articles] for deletion). It does seem to me that law and logic are the two substantive aspects that belong here, the main page on affirmation. But I do agree with you that law and logic need to be separated from all the other stuff.
 * --NSH001 (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that's at a later stage of the continuous revelation of Wikipedia, when the Logic articles are translated into English and the Personal Development Gurus have decided on a definition on which they agree! I hope the Quaker aspect of Affirmation in Law will grow to include use Praemunire against early Fds..  Vernon White  . . . Talk 23:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Affirmation in logic
"In logic, an affirmation is a positive judgment, the union of the subject and predicate of a proposition." The meaning of this sentence is not apparent to a lay person. The article on logic doesn't cover this term.

The sentence comes from Britannica 11th ed: "AFFIRMATION (from Lat. affirmare, to assert), the declaration that something is true; in logic, a positive judgment, the union of the subject and predicate of a proposition; particularly, in law, the solemn declaration allowed to those who conscientiously object to taking an oath. (See OATH.) . I'll remove the Britannica tag from article. Vernon White  . . . Talk 08:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Affirmation in law
"In law, an affirmation is a solemn declaration allowed to those who conscientiously object to taking an oath. An affirmation has exactly the same legal effect as an oath, but is usually taken to avoid the religious implications of an oath. In some jurisdictions, it may only be given if such a reason is provided." There is a new separate article on this topic, referred to in Affirmation (disambiguation). The remaining sections in this page are all about personal development or somesuch and need considerable sorting out. --- Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 18:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)