Talk:Afghan Hound/Archive 1

Article Critique
The article writer is lame... He didn't even include any good sites for Afghan hounds.... (posted by anon user)


 * The writer is whatever volunteer decides to drop in and add a little bit of knowledge, just as everywhere on wikipedia. If you'd like to find some good sites and add them (noncommercial, informative sites about the breed), I'm sure that other future browsers of this article would be glad. Elf | Talk 19:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Tazi redirect
(Moved discussion to new Talk:Tazi which is now a disambiguation page. Elf | Talk 16:52, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

AKC Standards
I have removed the following: "American Kennel Club (AKC) standards require all Afghan Hounds to have white on their chest." This is not an AKC standard for Afghans. --Satori Son 14:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I want to add this article in romanian language, to translate it... how can i do that?
All i had to say i said in the title, please answer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boieru (talk • contribs) 17:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC). go to google translate copy and paste

"Person dog"
I recently removed:

The Afghan's delicate temperament and long, flowing hair has earned it the widely-used nickname of "person dog".

I can't find reference to the nickname anywhere (except for sites that have scraped Wikipedia since December, when it was entered). The editor who added it (68.174.123.113) made a similar suspicious edit to Squirrel, but has also made a couple of constructive edits, so perhaps it isn't vandalism. Nevertheless, it doesn't appear to be "widely-used." -Three white leopards 18:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I fully support your removal, and am actually a little embarrassed I didn't catch this one myself. As you, I could not find any third-party sources that use that term for Afghan Hounds. -- Satori Son 18:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Picasso's Afghan Hound
I'm not sure if it is relevant, but maybe Picasso's dog Kazbek should be added to the famous Afghan's section. Most of the examples are fictitious dog characters; I was only trying to think of a real one. Anyway, just a thought. --Trakon 10:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

On the breed's learning rate
I just came from The Intelligence of Dogs, which ranked this breed last, and had a methodology based upon learning rate, so I think the fact sheet may lack accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

CTX, by Dan James
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I comment on this article on CTX as a Breeder,Owner, Exhibitor, Examiner of the Breed here in the UK as well as an International Championship Judge specifically on Afghans with 47 continuous years solely in this breed.

I challenge any authority to produce genetic evidence that ANY Afghan has developed CTX anywhere.

Firstly CTX is a condition that can develop through many  other causes  e.g.  Trauma. Road Traffic Accident, Rupture of the thoracic duct,Impact and the like from external injury, continuous forceful coughing, Vomiting, Heartworm, Tumours, and Blood clots that elevate pressures in the bloodstream.

In short CTX is almost certainly fatal if diagnosed. The use of Rutin and placing them on a low fat diet has been the subject of many reports, but whilst IMO it gives relief it is almost certainly a temporary measure.

Here in the notes above " you describe this as an extremely rare Condition"

Recently would be so called " Specialists Writers " purport that CTX is predominately associated with Afghan Hounds here in the UK, and more than one comment is that this is genetic. they say so without any evidence whatsoever. I have never encountered any Afghan who has developed CTX through established genetic problems.

There may be animals from ALL breeds that die through and as a result of developing CTX but not with it ie. as having it solely due to an inherited problem

As you will readily see from the list of causes that are shown above, the problem of Chyle leaking from the Duct, which will cause difficulty in Breathing, Lethargy, Loss of appetite sometimes extreme coughing etc. is Often as a cause of an associated  separate influence. eg, another incident in which the animal is subjected to or may have had an injury preceding CTX. eg Side impact, RTA, a fall, a collision with other kennel animals.,etc

Often and almost certainly this goes unoticed by the Owner and the first sign one sees is difficulty in breathing often seen with the animal sitting in the "Sphinx" position.

There is of course other causes associated with Tumours and Heartworm that can lead to CTX.

My own view is that Cynics who add that this is a particular problem in Afghan Hounds are writng wild statements that if placed in the public arena are very damaging.

It is not generally appreciated that CTX can be found in Cats, Children and Dogs, whilst there have been cases of CTX they are in the main all termed "Idiopathic" ( Cause not determined)

A survey list for the English Kennel Club here in the UK has produced a Survey carried out by the British Small Animal Veterinary Association Scientific Committee for Afghan Hounds detailing their Survey of Purebred Health problems in Afghan Hounds

They listed their findings on the Mortality of 143 Afghans showing 21 most common causes. CTX is not one of the causes listed. Trauma is shown for the death of 5 animals but stated to be from RTA.

This extensive summary of results shows that 30% of fatalities were as a result of cancer, with the average age and expectancy to have been 11 years 11 months.

Whilst this is not conclusive evidence for those who shrug their shoulders and will say " well that is not proof it is not congenital" it is a fact that there is no evidence to say it is Genetic and until proven " Guilty" the evidence is that it is " Innocent"

DAN JAMES...JAHADI AFGHANS( EST 1961)

Ancient or Modern
The writer states at the beginning of this article "The Afghan Hound is one of the oldest, if not the first sighthound dog breed" Does s/he not realise that this is a claim currently made by the Greyhound breed. They are documented as the earliest breed recorded by mankind, both by name and by depiction; they are named in the Christian Bible and are depicted on the tombs and other carved areas of Egypt, from the times of the Pharaohs. Further weight to this claim could also be made from other examples throughout history; Greyhounds have often been subject to strange laws, in Medieval times it was forbidden for a commoner, in this country, to own a greyhound, they were a 'gentleman's' dog, and only the 'landed' aristocracy where allowed to own them. Just the name itself should give a clue to the history of the breed, Wikipedia's own artice on the history of Afghanistan, states that it's history starts around 330 BC, and that it had had several names prior to that (though it does not state from exactly when the name Afghanistan came into general use), therefore any breed using that name must, by definition, be from a later date in history. Furthermore the writer, or a subsequent editor, has told us (in the History Section) that "Today's modern purebred breed of Afghan Hound descends from dogs brought in the 1920s to Great Britain, and are a blending of types and varieties of long haired sighthounds from across Afghanistan and the surrounding areas." Presumably this includes Salukis, making the Afghan a Crossbreed, rather than a purebreed. Thus, the actual breed is probably one of the NEWEST of the 'pedigree' dog breeds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldsilverado (talk • contribs) 10:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC) addendum: Further to the above, the UK Kennel Club quote that the Greyhound may be over 4000 years old, as a breed. See —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.188.77 (talk) 22:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't you think you should take that argument over to the greyhound article. After all, that article seems to contradict your statement, saying that the modern Greyhound has nothing to do with the ancient dogs of Egypt. And when a dog got it's (modern) name would hardly be an indication of its breed-age. After all, "Greyhound" probably wasn't an Egyptian name. And I'm also pretty sure the existance of Homo Sapiens aka Man, predates the latin language from where he gets his name.--Nwinther (talk) 22:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Dumbest Breed
Several lists all proclaim that the Afghan is considered the "dumbest" breed of dog, which I became aware of recently due to friend seeing the list sure that Basset hounds would be (they're 10th). Has this been a sanitized from even the talk page by enthusiasts? I hate wasting time putting up sourced information only to have overzealous partisans of a particular topic fight tooth n nail to keep it out (one of Wikipedias biggest problems). RoyBatty42 (talk) 00:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 4 one external links on Afghan Hound. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090513043515/http://www.aniwa.com:80/en/chien/document/en/chien/magazine/discover/dog-breeds/afghan-hound--from-the-streets-of-kabul-to-the-main-rings-of-the-world/index.htm to http://www.aniwa.com/en/chien/document/en/chien/magazine/discover/dog-breeds/afghan-hound--from-the-streets-of-kabul-to-the-main-rings-of-the-world/index.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090408091657/http://www.aniwa.com:80/en/chien/document/en/general/magazine/discover/dog-breeds/a-bunch-of-internationally-famous-breeders/index.htm to http://www.aniwa.com/en/chien/document/en/general/magazine/discover/dog-breeds/a-bunch-of-internationally-famous-breeders/index.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20140726011237/http://afghanhoundtimes.com/nz2.htm to http://afghanhoundtimes.com/nz2.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080827162136/http://www.akcchf.org/pdfs/whitepapers/HoundGroup07.pdf to http://www.akcchf.org/pdfs/whitepapers/HoundGroup07.pdf

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