Talk:Africa (Toto song)/Archive 1

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For a July 2005 deletion debate see Votes for deletion/Africa (Toto song) 10:31, 19 July 2005 User:NSR

How could there be deletion for a Grammy Award winning song?Jeneral28 (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Exactly.Neptune123456 (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a face?
Are you sure this shape has anything to do with human face? I can't see a face there. I think any resemblance to a human face is due to pareidolia, and unintended by authors. If it was intended, a face would be much better visible. Grzes 11:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Singer

 * David Paich does sing the song, it's listed in the album credits. I don't know where someone got the idea that Kimball sang the choruses, I believe he sings them when they do it live, but not on the album.  He does sing backing vocals.  Someone had also listed at one time that Kimball sang Rosanna, I'm almost certain the Steve Porcaro sang that one.  I have the album, I need to find it and read the credits on each song again. ReignMan (talk) 11:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it David Paich singing lead vocals on this one? The guy singing in the video is playing keyboards in the video for "Rosanna," which would seem to fit Paich. It's clearly not Bobbie Kimball, who has to sit with the rest of the band and shake a maraca in the video. john k 17:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Paich and Kimbal were the originalsJeneral28 (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Original research?
This following paragraph seems to be original research, so I have removed it from the article.
 * The outline on the single's cover art is a visual pun on the shape of the continent of Africa, and it resembles a silhouette of a human face. Notably the face can be identified as an example of the early human Australopithecus africanus.

-- Qarnos 01:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Toto - Africa.jpg
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BetacommandBot 05:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Another song called "Africa", by Rose Laurens
French singer Rose Laurens had an international hit called "Africa", also in 1983. Possibly to avoid confusion with Toto's song, it is often referred to as "Africa (Voodoo Master)". --217.232.195.43 16:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Toto - Africa (video clip).jpg
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BetacommandBot 20:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Toto - Africa.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Song meaning
Unless anyone has statements from the band explaining exactly what the song is about, the current interpretation on the page is original research and should be removed 75.152.156.85 (talk) 07:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

UK Chart
The song reached number 3 in the UK charts in February 1983, the same month it hit number 1 in the USA, so I've changed that part of the text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.138.88 (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Quote
Is the quote of the second section necessary? It is huge and it can be substitute by one explainatory parragraph.--Danielba894 (talk) 03:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That really does have to be reduced, a lot, like by 2/3, if kept as a quotation. In many jurisdictions it is likely too long to be fair use and is thus probably a copyright violation. It is also far too detailed and studio-geeky for a general purpose encyclopedia article like this. —  SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 09:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Resident Evil 5 Advertisement
"The song can be heard in a advertisement for Resident Evil 5, a video game which takes place in Africa." The hell? Is this actually true? I don't remember hearing this song for any Resident Evil 5 advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.53.77 (talk) 21:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Quote
The quote is too long. AmericanLeMans (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Genre?
The genre is listed as rock... I wouldn't really classify this as rock... has a pop-style to it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.114 (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Scrubs episode "My Way Home"
There should be an article called "In popular culture" with this 'Scrubs' episode named along with 'Family Guy's "Internal Affairs". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.207.145 (talk) 12:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The case against the video link
What's so wrong with including an external link to the video?! Pages for certain other songs have external links to THEIR videos, why can't this one?! 98.195.99.11 (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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The case against the video link
What's so wrong with including an external link to the video?! Pages for certain other songs have external links to THEIR videos, why can't this one?! 98.195.99.11 (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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South Park Cover - Popular culture reference
I was thinking maybe someone include the references made to this song in the new south park season. Also in the latest episode it featured a member berry cover made for the song, even an entire version which I found here: It could fit under popular culture I suppose.

Anyways if someone thinks they can make something out of that Tal.beelen (talk) 20:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

2018
Any info on why this is suddenly becoming popular again the last month or two? Was it covered or referenced somewhere?--Metallurgist (talk) 05:12, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * See Toto (band); New greatest hit album and tour. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:39, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It also recently celebrated its 35th anniversary, plus there's the Weezer cover. —  python coder    (talk &#124; contribs) 22:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Weezer cover was a month and a half after this question was asked, so that's not it.
 * Promotional efforts for the greatest hits album (2 months before this was asked) and forthcoming tour make sense. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Weezer
It looks like the Weezer cover has been added and deleted twice from this article. The last time it was sourced with an NPR and a CBS News story! Since it's charting in Billboard, it definitely seems notable for mention on this page, especially given it's unusual social media campaign to get it made. What threshold are the deletors using for notability and sourcing? Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:56, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also someone took away the infobox I added. Does anyone object to me putting it back? —  python coder    (talk &#124; contribs) 22:32, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Weezer cover does not merit a separate section, nor is it necessary to create a separate infobox for the version. It sounds exactly like the original and this version is no more unique than tens of other artists and formations. It has barely made it to the Billboard all important Hot 100. In any case, further relevant information, if any, can always be added in the Covers section, where the performance of Weezer is already adequately acknowledged. If more information is needed, please add it there in a lengthier paragraph. Or else, this will become an open invitation to add a handful of other charting versions with their own infoboxes and we will never finish. Leave the hit alone without diluting its impact by inclusion of ordinary covers that have been churned over many years by so many artists and acts. werldwayd (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That flies in the face of common practice within wikipedia. Please see almost any other song with a charting cover:
 * All Along the Watchtower
 * American Woman
 * Cum On Feel the Noize
 * Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon (2 cover infoboxes)
 * I Fought the Law (2 cover infoboxes)
 * Woodstock (2 cover infoboxes)
 * Hallelujah (3 cover infoboxes)
 * Because the Night (4 cover infoboxes!)
 * I Love Rock 'n' Roll (4 cover infoboxes!)
 * I Want Candy (4 cover infoboxes!)
 * I Will Always Love You (5 cover/reissue infoboxes!!)
 * Louie Louie (5 cover infoboxes!!)
 * Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)