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Copyvio
Not sure if permission was given or the original writer knew it, but much of the content on the African Methodist Episcopal Church is a direct copy of the AME website. Specifically:

Church Mission ~ http://www.ame-church.com/about-us/mission.php History ~ http://www.ame-church.com/about-us/history.php Structure ~ http://www.ame-church.com/about-us/structure.php

A few bits of new information are interspersed, but it really seems like a cut-and-paste job.

I don't know enough to revise it and it seems sad to delete it, so I'm noting the discrepancy here.

.bulldog 20:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Founding of the Church
This article indicates the AME Church was founded in 1793. The Wiki piece re Richard Allen (reverend) gives a date of 1816 as the founding date. The confusion needs to be addressed by someone more knowledgeable than I --Dumarest 12:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I reread fully, and see my confusion. The 1793 founding was the Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church, not the AME itself, which was 1816. --Dumarest 13:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Huge source available online
There is an electronic edition of the "Centennial Encyclopaedia of the African Methodist Episcopal Church Containing Principally the Biographies of the Men and Women, Both Ministers and Laymen, Whose Labors during a Hundred Years, Helped Make the A. M. E. Church What It Is; Also Short Historical Sketches of Annual Conferences, Educational Institutions, General Departments, Missionary Societies of the A. M. E. Church, and General Information about African Methodism and the Christian Church in General; Being a Literary Contribution to the Celebration of the One Hundredth Anniversary of the Formation of the African Methodist Episcopal Church Denomination by Richard Allen and others, at Philadelphia, Penna., in 1816", Richard R. Wright, Editor, published in 1916, available at this location. It is a wonderful source if you are working on a biography of anyone who was prominent in the denomination through 1916. GRBerry 02:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

List of African Methodist Episcopal Churches
I will create this list soon. - Freechild 16:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Empty section
What was the point of adding an empty section? The Wednesday Island 01:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Methodist work group
There is now a proposal for a WikiProject group, possibly initially a subproject of WikiProject Christianity, to deal with articles relating to the Methodist churches at WikiProject Council/Proposals. Anyone interested in taking part in such a group should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

14th Episcopal District
This section has been removed. Why? Sarcelles (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It was at only about 2 % of the article. So it would be appropiate. Sarcelles (talk) 19:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

African Methodist Episcopal Church for only black people
Since the African Methodist Episcopal Church; I thought that it would only be for black people. Is it true? Ashbeckjonathan 19:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the answer to this question is already obvious; it is marked in the article as it stands today: this body of believers is not limited to any definition of race. It has, actually, been opened to all people without distinction of race and class since the start. It was common to see that when a new AME church began at a new location, Whites would join Blacks as members. And Whites have continued being members up to the present. In the last years, some congregations have sizeable numbers of Latinos and Asian Americans in addition to Whites. What makes this Church "African" is the fact that it was born in the struggle for racial justice, and it continues in this struggle to the present; and this struggle is carried out by people from all racial labels. In fact, major changes against racial prejudices have only worked with alliances across racial divides. So, no, this church is not for Black people only. Historian (talk) 06:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistency
I see an apparent inconsistency in the article, which reads; So were the black folks Methodists (1 & 3), including Methodist clergymen (3), or denied membership/access (2)? I am unable to fix this, because I don't know what's true here. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * (1) "It was founded by the Rt. Rev. Richard Allen in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1816 from several black Methodist congregations in the mid-Atlantic area that wanted independence from white Methodists."
 * (2) "The AME Church was created and organized by people of African descent, Black people, descendants of enslaved Africans in North America as a response to being forcibly denied access to the Methodist church based on the color of their skin."
 * (3) "Although Allen and Jones were both accepted as preachers, they were limited to black congregations. In addition, the blacks were made to sit in a separate gallery built in the church when their portion of the congregation increased."

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Denmark Vesey
probably needs mentioning, along with his planned uprising's prompting the Charlestonians to break up the city's AME church. — Llywelyn II   01:38, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

A. M. E. Church Review?
Is it still in print? If not, when was it discontinued?

According to one source, it was "Arguably the earliest published African-American journal." Contributors included Frederick Douglass, Frances Harper, and T. Thomas Fortune. Seems like there should be a Wikipedia article about this journal.

Here's all the info I have about it:

None of this tells me how long it ran, or gives a complete of editors, etc. Does anyone have more information? (Maybe I should ask Frederick Douglass, ha ha.) --MopTop (talk) 17:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Jarena Lee
Hello, I see that there is no information regarding the first female preacher within the AME Church. Her name was Jarena Lee. I also see that a part on Denmark Vesey has been added, it would be great to add briefly the story of Jarena Lee and her significance to the church back when it was not common for females to speak. Vanessa A. 8 April 2019 Veeyva (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Updates and Edits I Made on the AME church page
I first want to say that the church is rich in history and it's very important that this jewel has accurate information. Thank you for your time in allowing me to be in this group. I've learned a lot and have much appreciation for the continued hard work and great effort made to add to this wonderful page.

According to the AME Church website https://www.ame-church.com/leadership/bishops-of-the-church/ there are a few updates to the current Bishops in office.

The third district now is under the leadership of Bishop Frank Madison Reid III.

Bishop Adam J. Richardson Jr. is now the senior bishop (that title is given to the bishop in office who was elected before the current bishops in office)

McKinley Young is now added to the retired/asterisk list of "Bishops in the Church."

For "Notable Clergy" I added Jarena Lee and provided the wiki link to her page.

Added information that Barack Obama and Michelle Obama were invited as guest speakers to the General Conference in 2008 and 2012

Added an external link of Bethel AME Church Baltimore MD which is under the heading "Notable Clergy and Educators"

Added another external link for Bethel AME Church Baltimore as they were mentioned again in "Notable Clergy and Educators under info regarding Bishop Andrew Walker Wayman info (hopefully this specific church gets a Wikipedia page soon, very vital to the expansion of the church in its beginning stage).

Corrected the year in which Bethel Baltimore was founded. Outside news sources (even the Baltimore Sun as late as 2016) stated it was founded in 1785 not 1787/1797 as previously stated on this Wikipedia Page.

Added an external like for Dr. Jamye Coleman Williams. She's almost 101 years old, very surprising she didn't have a Wikipedia page dedicated solely to her.

For Jackson Theological Seminary and Shorter College, the correct link were not added and I think it was actually a spam sites. I have found and added the correct links for the schools

Updated information on Notable Clergy Rev. Dr. Frank Madison Reid III who served Bethel Baltimore from 1988-2016 and has now elevated to episcopal service in the church. Veeyva (talk) 06:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)Veeyva