Talk:Afrofuturism/Archive 1

Afro-Futurism Zone?
From a previous version of the article edited by user 68.162.76.55:

''The Afro-Futurism zone is a place where the issues that have come to be defined as core aspects of African-American ethnicity and its unfolding in the American disappeared, replaced by a zone of electromagnetic interactions - simulations, coded exchanges of ideology... legacies of displacement translated into the binary space between the algorithms electro-modernity together. Urban culture, transitory flows of identity along the lines of flight demarcated by the streets, the lights, the sounds, the representations that hold it all together.''

Although interesting and poetic, this isn't an appropriate and concise definition of Afrofuturism for a Wikipedia article. Knowing the author and source of this text would be useful in discussing how it can integrated in the article. Loremaster 01:06, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Glad to see this here
Glad to see this here, even if it is only a stub. Would this be an appropriate place to include the Afrofuturist self-presentation of, for example, George Clinton? There was an extremely interesting Afrofuturist contribution to the aesthetic of glam rock, even if white Brits got to "own" the word glam. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:40, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * Jmable, what do you mean by self-presentation? Loremaster 15:51, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Question
Is anybody else interested in talking about/sharing ideas? Has anyone read any of the posted books? Media/Art discussion? Reflect, Peace

I took the Matrix off as a link to what might help define the afrofuturist genre. i changed it because A: because I dont agree, and B: because It might have , had the whole conncept and script been stolen and "reworked". Reflect, Peace


 * Your personal opinion and prejudice are not valid enough reasons to remove the mention of the Matrix movies in this article. Also, I would recommend that you create a user account before you edit any page in the Wikipedia. Loremaster 16:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

uh huh. so not only do you not give explanation to your post .. you try to censor me too. what are you some kind of matrix spokesman? I don't need to do anything.. and prejudice IS a good word for the matrix btw.

1. I did give an explanation to my post.

2. I didn't censor you. You are the one who wants to delete information from an article due to personal bias.

3. I am not a spokesperson or even a fan of Matrix 2 and 3. However, the fact that those movies have afrofuturist themes means that it objectively deserves to be mentioned in this article despite your criticism.

4. When you contribute Wikipedia, you have to do the following things:


 * Create a user account.
 * Read the article describing how to edit a page and feel free to experiment in the Sandbox.
 * Eventually, read the Manual of Style and Policies and Guidelines.
 * If you need help, post a question in the Newcomers' Village Pump.
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Loremaster 17:45, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No, as a matter of fact it is not required to create an account in order to edit. --Alynna 02:41, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I know that. It was only a recommendation. Loremaster 21:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

So? First off if yur not "interested" than why are you posting on here. If your not interested in overstanding and exploring this iddium than it seems you dont have much to say in the matter. They have "afrofuturist themes" how? because they feature Black actors. No malice or insult intended but i have a feeling your a white male. Not saying your opinion isnt valid .. just not as important...to me. Because this is not your metaphor. Myabe im assuming to much by the look and feel of your posting. On a side not .. i dont have to write well, edit well, learn this system.. or anything .. if i want to build with my brothers and sisters.. I dont it bothering anybody else. And not i fact you didnt answer my question about HOW the matrix in YOUR sense is mentionable as defintion to the overstanding of this metaphor. Please explain. All power to All people

Reflect Peace


 * 1. I never said I wasn't interested in afrofuturism. I was the one who created this article to begin with!
 * 2. I am not a white male (nor a black male) but your suggestion that I am shows how small-minded and bigoted you really are if you wouldn't value the opinion of a thoughtful person simply because he is a white male. For example, you might find the writings of Noam Chomsky very important.
 * 3. Although you don't have to do anything, if you want your opinion to be considered valid and important by your brothers and sisters, there are obviously a number of things that you could do to help yourself.
 * 4. The following article explains why the Matrix trilogy has some afrofuturist themes: http://www.blackstate.com/matrix.html
 * Loremaster 20:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks you for your comments. A: Ive read the article you linked to. I still stand by my point. If your intersted in talking about it your can still tell me what You think. B: your race Does matter. for instance if your white im not as intersted your your opinion about the black experience or metaphor as I am about my brothers and sisters. You neither Black nor white, fine .. whatever you consider yur experience to place i know that the black experinece is real.. and Vaild. Noam chomsky sure...whats he got to do with anything.. you throw me a armchair radical? Not insult im just saying he doesnt have anythng to do with this subject. Valid and important? your way off. Close minded and bigoted? Please.


 * 1. I am not interested in talking about anything with someone with your attitude problems.
 * 2. For the record, there are as many black people who have nothing valid and important to say about the black experience except to spew the same old tired clichés as there are a few white people who have written some pretty insightful works on the black experience. Noam Chomsky is a good example of one.
 * 3. Your close-mindedness and bigotry is transparent to all.
 * Loremaster 18:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

at this point .. whatever.. im not here for you.. i wish the bect for you and yours. i hope you make positivity in this world.

btw. i like how you went back and editied your words. You couldnt live with what you said? you know what im talking about. its all good


 * Are you to me? I'm not sure what you are talking about. As far as I know, I haven't edited out words I couldn't live with. What are you ranting about exactly? Loremaster 00:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Context
This article really leaves one unsatisfied wondering just what Afrofuturism is. OK, so Afrofuturism = African American concerns + Transhumanism, more or less. So, what does that mean exactly?--Pharos 05:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That's why the article is listed as a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. ;) Loremaster 14:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Recent deletions
I've deleted the following text from the article:


 * The displacement of traditional Black culture in Western culture is mirrored in the way that musicians like Sun Ra and George Clinton have been displaced on planet Earth.

The user who added this text needs to explain how the works of Sun Ra and George Clinton are afrofuturist. He also needs to back up his statements with sources since no original resarch is allowed on Wikipedia.

Futhermore, I've deleted links to articles that don't exist yet such as Blue Light (novel) and Space is the Place. Please create a stub for each of these articles *before* linking them to the Afrofuturism article. --Loremaster 03:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

news
Does anyone read this Wiki page? If so, what are your thoughts? Please add more content. -- minerva obsidian


 * Hello Minerva, I suggest you read the new sign at the top of the page. --Loremaster 16:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The Ear, the Eye and the Arm
Is The Ear, the Eye and the Arm an Afrofuturism book?


 * Let's add it to the article. If someone comes up with a valid objection, we'll just delete it. --Loremaster 23:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

'70s style
Not a topic I know much about, but it seems to me that things like Labelle in the mid-'70s belong under this heading. There was a Black side of what was essentially a glam rock sensibility, and it had even more of a sci-fi & futuristic aspect than the pasty Brits. - Jmabel | Talk 05:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to mention them in the article. --Loremaster 21:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Afrika Bambaataa
Has anyone considered adding Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force to this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dediablo (talk • contribs) 00:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

There should absolutely be a mention of Bambaataa, and of electro in general. I might add something when I have more time. Greenie2600 (talk) 03:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Bootsy Collins
Anyone agree that Bootsy belongs in this article as well? Appearance, themes, song/album titles, and of course his "space bass". Chewyrunt (talk) 19:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would certainly mention him. - Jmabel | Talk 01:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Language / slanguage
This edit changed a quotation without citation, but the original quote was uncited, too, and in a paragraph with unbalanced parentheses, and I'm disinclined to even try to work out what's going on. Someone more familiar with the article should have a look. - Jmabel | Talk 01:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)