Talk:After School (group)

Amazing! Update to the page, Please add art to this page.
Beautiful, I love the new update to the page it is so organized, and love that the tracklist is now shown, thank you to whowever fixed it Can whoever did that also add album artwork to Happy Pledis 2011 please here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Pledis_2011

maintenance tags
there seems to be some disagreement recently about the status of the page. For most of this year, editing on this page was fine, but then all of a sudden some IP editors added a whole bunch of trivia, then it got deleted, then it got re-instated, then it got overhauled to the point where i personally think it's fine. The band has been in existence for merely a year; as such, all relevant information is on the page and anything else is trivia.

I will go and remove the tags, with the editing notice pointing back here. May I ask what exactly needs fixing, and how it should be fixed? SKS (talk) 03:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge "Orange Caramel" article into this article?
It seems to me that Orange Caramel (After School sub-unit) may not really merit its own separate article, and that the content there should perhaps be merged into this article per WP:MERGE. Any comments (pro or con) before I officially propose a merger? Rich wales (talk · contribs) 02:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I would argue against it. One example of this situation is with the "Super Junior" pages. For some background info, Super Junior has four sub-groups: Super Junior T, Super Junior M, Super Junior Happy, and Super Junior K.R.Y. These four sub-groups have their own pages. This separation of sub-groups from the main group actually serves the purpose of preventing the atricle from focussing on the main subject. Orange Caramel is much like the many "Super Junior"s in that it has its own concept apart from the main group.
 * What I mean by this (admitted) rambling is that introducing information over the subgroup into the page for the main group could introduce some issues of clarity. Jf1357 (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Japanese debut and Virgin
This section originally contained very little cited information, and as such, I have rewritten that section and added a bunch of new sources from Korean news websites and a few others. Would this be to Wikipedia's quality standards? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.167.247 (talk) 08:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Non notable albums and singles merged to main article per WP:N / WP:MUSIC
any articles albums or singles that fails to have significant coverage in reliable third party sources should be merged into the band article. See WP:N / WP:MUSIC. A quick glance suggests thats all of them. Active Banana    (bananaphone  20:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Why hide all of the singles they have released and force viewers to check discography, every other band, group I see has them all shown, in fact, Orange Caramel the sub group even shows all the singles out, it is an unnecessary change. Another thing, how come most of the Orange Caramel pages were removed like the pages for their mini albums, but their newer singles and albums are getting pages? EVEN AFTER SCHOOL's SISTER GROUP HELLO VENUS has them all shown, you say they aren't significant to show, they should be shown, so everyone who views the page can see the list of all their korean and japanese discography without it shown, it seems only the albums are what they have done,and it does not show their significance as a group! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.160.239 (talk) 23:55, 5 January 2013, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC+0)

Can the citation tags be removed?
It have been there since July, and the recent revamp to the article with added sources should have done enough justifications to deem that tag as unnecessary. Can it be removed? Looks like an eyesore to me.. LordThrall (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Long-term edit-warring for band member positions
Spurred by a request by Kww on my talk to document the incessant edit-warring of IPs and sock accounts who keep adding unsourced positions to the article here is a sample of the constant changing of positions of band members starting from 12 May 2012:
 * Positions are removed: Revision as of 15:30, 12 May 2012 (edit) (undo)rem. uncited positions)
 * 180.241.161.168 re-inserts positions: Revision as of 16:02, 23 May 2012 (edit) (undo)180.241.161.168 (talk)
 * Positions are removed again:Revision as of 03:25, 23 May 2012 (edit)(→‎Members: rv uncited).
 * IP:114.134.191.7 (talk) reinstates positions: Revision as of 11:35, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo). Note that IP: 114.134.191.7 is a sock of blocked master User:Ryanjay1996 and 114.134.191.7 goes ahead and adds even more unsourced positions
 * Then IP 171.4.4.172 reverts some of the edits of 114.134.191.7 by adding yet more uncited positions. Revision as of 12:51, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)171.4.4.172 (talk)(→‎Members)
 * Then comes 171.226.105.117 adding more unsourced positions: Revision as of 13:22, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)171.226.105.117 (talk)(→‎Members)
 * That's not good enough for 180.241.222.73 who changes the position information again: Revision as of 13:53, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)180.241.222.73 (talk)(→‎Members)
 * Then comes 171.4.4.172 with yet another change of a single position: Revision as of 14:44, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)171.4.4.172 (talk)
 * Of course that's not satisfactory for 27.69.16.190 who reverts other positions: Revision as of 15:13, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)27.69.16.190 (talk)
 * Not good enough for another editor who changes positions again: (→‎Members: Kahi has NOT graduated yet; wait until September before moving her to the "graduated" section)
 * Of course 213.107.190.245 does not agree and changes the positions again: Revision as of 19:01, 8 June 2012 (edit) (undo)213.107.190.245 (talk)
 * Finally order is (temporarily) restored. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Korean name
It would seem that Pledis have now adopted the Japanese name, i.e. "Afterschool" (with variation in capitalisation), as opposed to "After School". Official artwork for Flashback is also written as a single word. The Korean Facebook, Google+ etc. are all one word now. Only older posts on Pledis' website continue to use two words. Newer posts on Facebook and Google also use one word. Could someone update the article? I can't find a source identifying an official acknowledgement of changing the spelling but it seems consistent enough to be considered official. - Estoy Aquí (talk) 11:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Grammar issues
Hi! Just thought I should point out that there are LOADS of grammar issues in certain areas:

"2011: Virgin, Bekah Graduate, Japanese debut and A.S. Red/Blue"

Should be "Bekah's Graduation". "It was revealed that After School would officially debut in Japan on 17 August, with a Japanese version of 'Bang!'. They will also perform a solo concert on 17 July at Akasaka BLITZ in Tokyo.[5] However, Bekah graduate the group prior to the Japanese debut to become a designer, and has since released her graduation work, a solo track titled Take Me To The Place."

Should be "However, Bekah announced her graduation from the group prior to their Japanese debut to become a designer, and released her "graduation" song, a solo track entitled "Take Me To The Place"." (Also - perhaps a mention should be made of Bekah's comments about not being "good enough" - she mentioned that "This isn’t about a boyfriend heartbreak, this is about giving everything you had to the someone’s or something’s and facing the consequences of being taken advantage of. I just felt that you guys needed some honesty. I’m so thankful for those who truly cared about me and for those who still do. I just needed to let it out guys. Believe me, I loved performing and still do but there are things that I could never explain… When they tell you that you’re not enough. That you quite don’t meet their standards yet. Fuck it. You don’t need that kind of negativity." She was allegedly "fired" or forced out for being too "heavy-set", despite only weighing about 120 pounds. )

"In July, Pledis announced that After School will be separated into two sub-units, A.S. Red & Blue as part of the group's second comeback project for the year."

Should be "After School would be separated into two sub-units, A.S. Red & Blue, as part of the group's second comeback project for the year."

Fans
Korean group After School is a fan of Morning Musume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.183.150 (talk) 17:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Jooyeon
Please leave her as a CURRENT member until December 31, 2014 when she actually graduates. You can place her as a Past/Graduate member after December 31, but until then, keep that in mind that as long as she's still active in After School, she is still a member. Tibbydibby (talk) 01:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Error in text
Someone has written "AND PLEASE DON'T SPREAD RUMORS ABOUT NEW MEMBERS" in all caps in the text.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.92.131 (talk) 23:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

New Members
Their are two new members of after school Itzy/Oh Hye Young and Shannon Bae. It has been confirmed on Pledis official page. As of 02/26/2016 Itzy Star Dust (talk) 06:49, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Since you haven't provided a source, it looks like you are making this up. Please provide a link to a reliable source that proves what you are saying. Random86 (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Needed Correction
The line in the 2012 part of the article " After School's tour finished on 17 June at Tokyo Dome City Hall, which was also the last time Kahi performed with the group."Seems to either need clarification or removal since this performance is dated for March 8th 2014.It is a special stage but its not noted in the 2014 section either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junkoo (talk • contribs) 17:21, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Disbandment
The company has not announced the disbandment of after school. They have started to do different things. However the company has not said anything regarding a disbandment of the group and it’s all based on alleged conversation between a old fan account of nana and nana her self and it’s not confirmed to have even been taken place Staffple (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Agree, it was added by user K-popguardian two weeks ago, there is no source that they have disbanded, "unofficial disbandment" is a fancruft thing and was not even mentioned in that Korean source with Lizzy. They are inactive since 2015, but not disbanded. Snowflake91  (talk) 12:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2020
Please add the following information at the end of section 1.7: "In January 2020, E-Young revealed through her official Instagram that she had chosen not to renew her contract with Pledis Entertainment." Please move her name to section 2.2 (Former members) and "Past members" on the sidebar. Here is the source, from a reputable Kpop news site that reported on her Instagram Stories answer: After School's E-Young announces the start of her own agency after ending contract with Pledis Entertainment 2603:9001:2B0B:6700:94AE:EBBE:A023:44EC (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Allkpop is an unreliable source per WP:KO/RS. If a reliable, secondary source can be found then the information will be added. Alex (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

After School is disbanded
As many of you know, E-Young has left. This means Nana is the only person with any sort of AS membership left under Pledis. In line with what happened with KARA and Youngji, this is definitely a disbandment. (Unless that was favoritism on your part.) and if you're still saying this is "unreliable."

After School's Twitter was converted into Nana's page.

Here is the twitter in 2014 and 2019. https://web.archive.org/web/20140728065513/https://twitter.com/as_supporters https://web.archive.org/web/20190510091436/https:/twitter.com/as_supporters

And here it is in 2020 after E-Young's departure. The page clearly says NANA Official and is not an After School page now. https://twitter.com/as_supporters

Check the links if you must, run a whole rule check or whatever, these are the same pages. After School's social medias are shutting down. Similar to Speed and TheSeeYa, who, if you can see on Wikipedia, underwent a similar process, which caused Wikipedia to conclude disbandment, and to this day, not 1 statement has been released on the matter.

Even NOW, Lizzy specifically stated last year that After School WENT SEPARATE WAYS, and that has been reliably sourced. If you all take that euphemism rule with not using "passed away" instead of "died," seriously at all, you will know that this means a disbandment. They don't have to use that single word exactly to say they've broken up. Literally, Wikipedia is the only source who says they haven't broken up after this, without even any reference stating they're an active group at all. Where does it say After School is still together? THAT's more estimated than them being gone, which has alot of evidence to back it up at this point compared to the contrary.-K-popguardian (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Yup, this is favoritism. I'm calling it now.-K-popguardian (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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