Talk:Agatha (wife of Samuel of Bulgaria)

Contradiction to Kosara of Bulgaria
Were these two actually a same person? It appears that both had born the same children: Theodora Kosara, Miroslava and Gavril Radomir. All the best, --Biblbroks 's talk 01:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the articles Agatha, wife of Samuel and Kosara of Bulgaria refer to a same person! I don't know where the name Kosara is taken from, but the name of this women traditionally is given as Agatha in the history sources - see Vindobonensis historia.74! --Nauka (talk) 08:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Γαβριήλ ὁ και Ῥωμανὸς...., τεχθεὶς τῷ Σαμουηλ ἐξ  Άγάθης τῆς  θυγατρὸς Ὶωάννου τοῦ Χρυσηλιου τοῦ εν Δυρραχιῳ πρωτεὺοντος [Gavril, who was called also Roman,.. he was son of Samuil by Agatha, the daughter of John Chrisilius, governor of Dyrrhachion] - John Skylitzes. Vindobonensis historia.74. 13-14 c. --Nauka (talk) 10:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In contemporary Bulgaria, the name Agatha is popular as the name of the writer Agatha Christie. K. Ali 17:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karim Ali (talk • contribs)

Page name
Since we know she was daughter of John Chryselios is there a reason this page name uses her husband to differentiate her and not her family name? 50.37.124.206 (talk) 21:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The article makes clear that her being a daughter of Chryselios is not 100% certain, and at any rate, the family name is nowhere attested in connection with her. The only secure family link is her husband. Constantine  ✍  21:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 6 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. (non-admin closure) Brad  v  22:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Agatha, wife of Samuel of Bulgaria → Agatha (wife of Samuel of Bulgaria) – Not a royal title; must be parenthesized. Or maybe use Agatha, Empress of Bulgaria instead. George Ho (talk) 19:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. Subject's entry in Bulgarian Wikipedia is simply titled "Agata", without any royal title, an example also followed by the Spanish, Portuguese and Macedonian Wikipedias. It may be also noted that a similarly-titled unrelated entry uses [as of this writing] the un-parenthisized main header, Agatha, wife of Edward the Exile. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - As per nomination. - Boneyard90 (talk) 10:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support move to parenthesized form. Her title as empress is uncertain, since she probably died before Samuel formally assumed the title of Tsar, and her notability is not such that a move to simple "Agatha" would be justified. Constantine  ✍  14:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose, a comma does not mean it is a royal title. This comma is a descriptive natural disambiguation, which is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation.  The growing affection for unnatural parentheses is silly.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


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