Talk:Age of Empires II/Archive 1

POV
" A number of sites were created afterwards to replace the Zone, one of which Gamespy, which has the same numbers as the MSN Gaming Zone did, and so gamers are happy."

This may sound like a biased complaint, but i seriously doubt many people arehappy with gamespy, or even content, if not annoyed and angry. This article is surprisingly low quality overall, with irrelevant, obsolete or inaccurate statements. Superkala 22:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree and it's actually not true. GameSpy might have had the same amount if you compare it to how zone was at the end. I remember when you couldn't get in the Custom Scenario room (AoK) and had to go to the second room. At the end (of zone) this was never a problem. I've made a post in the discussion part about the Multiplayer part (History of Zone, EL, GS and IGZ).

Bererks
I'm pretty sure they're called "berserkers" in the game. If I'm wrong, I apologize. It occurred to me the second after I hit "save" that it was possible I wasn't correct. --Aranel 19:13, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Had to check myself, but they're actually called "berserks" in the game. I'll quickly revert :P -- Ferkelparade π 19:18, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Deleted Links
While adding the covers, I deleted the following ext. links since they directly point to gamefaqs files:


 * The Conquerors FAQ/Strategy Guide
 * The Conquerors multiplayer FAQ
 * The Conquerors'' Full Tech Tree

WolfenSilva 17:56, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * The Conquerors Teuton FAQ and Barbarossa Campaign Walkthrough
 * The Conquerors Time Study
 * The Conquerors Trigger Help
 * The Conquerors Unique Techs FAQ
 * The Conquerors Unique Techs FAQ
 * The Conquerors Units FAQ
 * The Conquerors Demo FAQ/Walklthrough
 * How about including cheats in the article? Chamaeleon 20:28, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Scenario Editor
I was slightly annoyed that no mention of the scenario editor was made, so I inserted a text myself. There is thriving online designer's page based in Age of King's Heaven. Though the game is difficult to modify and thus given a back seat to other mods and games, it makes up for this with its unique editor. This accessed in game, is fairly simple and user-friendly, and can be used to create a vast variety of scenartios. AoK custom campaigns are unique in gaming in that they can feature whole stories and complex plots. On their highest level they can even compete with real literature, which is something most official games can't even say. Those are few, however, and fewer than ten campaigns out of roughly 3000 have received perfect scores in the Age of Kings Heaven. I believe that the designing community outnumbers the gaming community nowadays.

EDIT - Let me just add to my fellow designers words (Oliver? Ana? Zyx?), the community is tight-knit and willing to accept everyone, so long as they keep their behavior respectable. ES has recognized many of our designs, and they seem to enjoy it some. We love our craft, and I'm sure that anyone who tries it and gets used to it will love it too. -SS

DS Version
Just a piece of opinion (since I've seen someone added the DS category), given the differences that can be spotted from the previews between the original and DS versions (the preview I've read AoK DS is a turn based game), it would be much more advisable to create a separate article, not a different section. wS 21:02, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It appears that there's no section or page any longer, or if there is, I was unable to find it. --TCM (Talk) 13:37, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Michi
Why does Michi redirects to this article?
 * Because somebody apparently wrote an article about an AOK map called "Michi" and somebody else decided to redirect instead of delete the article. I agree that it's not a terribly useful redirect, especially since the Michi map is not even mentioned in the article (not that it should be mentioned :P ) - I'll bring this up at WP:RFD -- Ferkelparade π 10:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Request for cleaning up
This article is full of gamecruft, contains one-sentence-sections and is outdated at times (a release scheduled for February 14). Soothing R  07:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

zone history
theres a whole different aok game in zone and theres history of clans and stuff can i write a article about the history?
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Article Tone
I think the tone of this article is a bit unencyclopedic. There is so much reference to the first Age of Empires and ways in which this one is better. I think the article should be rephrased since this is not a series comparison article. Anyone agree? Tutmosis 16:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take a stab at tidying this up in the next couple of days. I can see where I can do some work here and there. Having played the game for quite some time, I should be able to sort it out...--Tony Fox 05:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Historical Accuracy
How accurate are the history notes in the unique unit section? It looks to me like most of those notes came from the game manual, which may or may not be a credible source of historical information. I'll see if I can research this more.Gamer.g33k 22:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Cheat Codes section

 * As per this, I am removing the Cheat Codes section.--DethFromAbove 22:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think chat codes, or at least their existance, links should be in the article. Anyone else agree? --seifip 16:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Negative, this is wikipedia, not cheat code central.

Missing Wonder
I couldn't help but notice that in the Wonders section, the Britons are missing. Anyone care to fix this problem?--Knight45 20:03 19 July 2006

Never mind; read the section after.--Knight45 20:05 19 July 2006

Article needs to be reduced in size

 * The units section is ridicously enormous. From barracks to docks each unit is described, how about spitting such part into a new article. Another suggestion?
 * I agree, it should be split. Woodrow Buzard 15:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also agree that the article should be split. However, shouldn't we also split the Unique Units section with the Units section? Cyberguy410 17:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also agree, and we should put the unit's specific weaknesses+Strengths.
 * I'd love that, but unfortunately if you try to make a units section for an RTS game on this site, it usually is deleted. I think it's stupid too, but I guess some people just insist on deleting those articles. Russian F 04:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. Nate 17:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's over half the article's length, which is ridiculous. If the units aren't notable enough for their own article, they can always go on a wiki for AoK (like this one). Basically they should just be given a smaller section without going into the specifics of each unit, just like at Age of Empires Richard001 23:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. If we go for the "split into a new article" idea, I think we should go into the unit specifics. If the section should just be shrinked, I agree with Richard001 that we should just list only the basic info, like creation place (eg Barracks), and stats. Or just their names and creation point works too. RageSamurai21655 17:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree on the split, however I think the new article should be called List of Age of Empires II units, so that it's similar naming as List of humanoid and synthetic Combine in Half-Life 2 and List of Warcraft characters. -- theSpectator talk 06:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --seifip 16:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems we have a consensus, but how can we know if the article is notable enough, or if it will just be removed? Should we simply copy and paste the units section as is and see if it remains, or request the advice from an admin who would be familiar with this sort of thing? Either way, we can begin on reducing the section down (using Age of Empires for a model) as we can always refer to the page history for the units list. We should leave an invisible note at the top of the section incase anyone is inclined to fill it with details again. Richard001 07:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Here are some discussions to consider as precendent: If in fact a sperate article is created, consider that is is almost certain to be nominated for deletion, and there is a very good chance that it would in fact be deleted unless multiple third party reliable sources can be found for the information. Which isn't likely. brenneman color="black" title="Admin actions">{L} 04:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of units in Star Wars: Battlefront II - deleted
 * Articles for deletion/StarCraft units and structures - deleted
 * Articles for deletion/Units in Advance Wars - deleted
 * Thanks for your advice, Aaron. I've changed to cleanup tag to a list one for now. Richard001 09:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

No Mention of Gold Edition?
There is no mention of Age of Empires II: Gold Edition. The Gold Edition contains both Age of Kings and The Conquerors Expansion. Anyone else agree that this should be mentioned somewhere? If so, where in the article? Cyberguy410 16:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Added, thanks for your input &mdash;shoecream 06:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, there is an Age of Empires: Collector's Edition that includes AoE I, Rise of Rome, AoE II and the Conquerors, along with presentation manuals and the soundtrack to both of these incarnations. Ck l o stsw o rd|queta!|Suggestions? 09:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That should be added to the article--seifip 16:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Suicide bomber
Hey, the description of the Petard (Suicide bomber) unit says that it's only in the conquerors expansion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this unit also used in a campaign mission and the scenario editer in regular AoK? Russian F 04:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You may mean Saboteurs. These are basically Petards, but much more powerful, and in AoK. Petards are in the conquerors expansion. Nate 17:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Units in Seperate Article
I think that AOE 2 should be mentioned on aeperate article; they could be spitted into a seperate article named AOE 2 Units or something like that. Does anybody agree?


 * Yes, but it isn't notable enough for a separate article, so thinning it down and converting to prose is the only option here. See above Richard001 08:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

ain jalut
who here feels that the battle of ain jalut should have been put in the mongol campaign? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.175.1.237 (talk) 02:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

Artificial Intelligence scripting
This game offers all its Artificial Intelligence scripting documentation via a file in the Docs folder. Also complete documentation regarding map scripting is available in the same folder. These things are completely different from the scenario editor. There are AI scripts available at heavengames and at http://www.aiscripters.com. Also AllianceThundaEmpire, an AI script, appears as a well known bot in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_game_bot. I will be happy to write down a small section regarding this after the online play section. Acetylcholine 05:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Added a section myself, it was very important, as a quick read will reveal. The links and references provided are just few, they can always be expanded. Acetylcholine 03:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Expansion image
The image is in its current location is not fitting in. IMO: It does not belong here. Or the info should be increased to make the image look fit and not overlap with other headings. Acetylcholine 09:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed the image. I didn't think it should have been here either. In fact, the whole section on the expansion should be deleted (I think I'll do that now...). For example, see Age of Empires III, which is GA/A-Class. They only mention Age of Empires III: The War Chiefs in the lead. · AO Talk 10:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can add a "See also" section with links to expansion pack and to the other pages associated with this article. Acetylcholine 13:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

SG Collaboration
I was just wondering how the collab is going...is there a list of things that need to be done, or are we just going in any direction? ~ Giggy!  Talk (reply here) 07:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Age of Empires II disambig
Age of Empires II page shouldn't be a disambig one; It should re-direct here. This(AoK) is Age of Empires II and The Conquerors is just its expansion pack that can be reached from here. I'll be fixing the re-direct. rohith 19:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Scenarios
Maybe each Scenario could have it's own article. Might sound rather big but it would be quite nice. Dunno if it's possible but if it is then we could explain each scenario and write basic strategies that are used.