Talk:Agharta (album)/Archive 1

Questions for anyone who knows

 * Was Agharta's earliest release on Columbia, and in 1976? An entry on Discogs claims that CBS Benelux released it in the Netherlands in 1975, but my 1991 CD version gives a copyright date of 1976. It also says "originally released as PG 33967", but I couldn't find anything about that catalog number.
 * How should the cronology work? I put Water Babies under Next album, because it was released in 1976. But it was actually recorded much earlier, around 1968 IIRC. Thoughts?

Ultra Megatron 04:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Track listing issue
I've removed the following from the "Track listing" section:  The listing on Disc Two is incorrectly listed on both the CD and album details. It should read:
 * 1) "Theme from Jack Johnson" – 25:16
 * 2) "Interlude" – 26:50

This is only partially correct. The track timings, as given on the LP/CD, are correct (though some editions simply have one long track on the second CD). The song titles do seem to be reversed on the LP/CD, given that the first track starts with a portion of "Right Off" from the Tribute to Jack Johnson album. But even if the names were reversed, they would still be somewhat meaningless: the two tracks actually encompass (at least) four different songs. Paul Tingen's book Miles Beyond goes into some detail, but for now I've just removed the additional text and left the track listing the way the record company gave it. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Miles Beyond, pp. 163-68
92.136.143.182, I've removed this sentence attributed to Paul Tingen's book Miles Beyond. Using Amazon.com's preview, I couldn't find where the author says the "segments are highly structured". If you're citing those pages because you feel the author's analysis gives off that impression, then it's not acceptable and original research → "Even with well-sourced material, if you use it out of context, or to advance a position not directly and explicitly supported by the source, you are engaging in original research". Dan56 (talk) 03:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi - maybe you could reconsider reinserting the reference to the work being highly structured? On page 152 of Miles Beyond, Miles Davis's guitarist Reggie Lucas states the following: “We had a very defined compositional basis to start from and then elaborated on it in a very structured way, yet also in a very free way. We would play the same tunes, but the tunes were loosely structured. It allowed a lot of interaction between the rhythmic components to the band. We were improvising a lot more than just the notes that were being played in the solos; we were improvising the entire song as we went along. We would get incredible grooves going that would just continually evolve in the course of an evening, and over several performances. The band was a fantastic live unit. It was an improvisational unit, but it was a structured improvisation.” Amazon.com's preview doesn't show this page unfortunately.Bill E Bailey (talk) 10:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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I understand your reason for. It's not worth an argument, but it wasn't an arbitrary or unreasonable change, and I want to explain my reasoning.

The construction is interesting, complex, and unusual. For reference, here's the sentence, divided at the place of the punctuation in question, and the second part further subdivided:


 * [A] Davis led a septet at the concert
 * [B]
 * [list 1 ]
 * a. saxophonist Sonny Fortune,
 * b. bassist Michael Henderson,
 * c. and guitarist Pete Cosey
 * were given space to improvise against a dense backdrop of riffs, electronic effects, cross-beats, and funk grooves from the rhythm section—
 * [list 2]
 * a. drummer Al Foster,
 * b. guitarist Reggie Lucas,
 * c. and percussionist James Mtume.
 * c. and percussionist James Mtume.

The second part of the sentence, Part B, combines a complete list of the other members of the septet -- lists 1 and 2 -- with a description of what three of them did. But Part B is not a complete sentence.

B1 is a sentence:
 * saxophonist Sonny Fortune, bassist Michael Henderson, and guitarist Pete Cosey were given space to improvise against a dense backdrop of riffs, electronic effects, cross-beats, and funk grooves from the rhythm section

But B2 is not a sentence, just a list of names and functions:
 * drummer Al Foster, guitarist Reggie Lucas, and percussionist James Mtume

And that's why I think a colon is more appropriate.

--Thnidu (talk) 01:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC) (completed now. Thnidu (talk) 02:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC))


 * I'm confused as to what this message is supposed to mean. Dan56 (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's because you didn't let me finish it. The wikicode is complex, as you'll see. --Thnidu (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I never suggested your change was arbitrary or unreasonable. B2 is part of B, which is a sentence. Dan56 (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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Track listing issue II
Why is there no runtime for "Prelude (Part 2)"? Is this explained anywhere? If someone can clarify why this is the way it is it would be really helpful. On YouTube the tracks are divided like this: 
 * 1) "Prelude (Part 1)" – 26:02
 * 2) "Prelude (Part 2) – 6:34
 * 3) "Maiysha" – 12:20

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.149.170 (talk) 22:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You are referring to the LP track listing, for which there was no runtime listed on the record (see here). CD and digital track configurations are different, as this article documents. isento (talk) 02:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

- I assumed. But in that case, why is the track "Prelude (Part 2)" listed at all? Why isn't side B represented as "Prelude (Part 2)/Maiysha" as it is in https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles-davis/agharta/? On the other hand, I think, speaking from my ignorance, that "Prelude (Part 2)" and "Maiysha" are clearly divided, and should have separate runtimes, just like they do in https://www.discogs.com/es/Miles-Davis-Agharta/release/2849566. 201.212.149.170 (talk) 01:15, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Discogs hosts user-generated content, which is non-expert best-guesses and not reliable (User-generated content). As you see in the image scan of the LP, "Prelude (Part 2)" and "Maiysha" are listed as separate tracks, no. 1 and no. 2 on side B of the first LP. In order to avoid any confusion, perhaps I can make a footnote in the article clarifying that the length is for the entire LP side. isento (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)